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Originally there were 19 posts. Then 4 disappeared. Now 3 have returned. Oh Discordia! What is going on with this blog?

Well, as I have said before, my take on LISK.com and the motives of those commenting on it changed daily. This is because of the constant comments left here and on MM7’s blog. Then I tried to get some answers through emails and Facebook… now it seems like I change my mind hourly. Because of this I started deleting some things, and then I was ready to stop the blog all together. I’ll try to explain better. I emphasise on TRY.

The reason I started this blog was to show how the stuff being written on LISK.com and MM7’s “Catching LISK” was more than sleuthing… more than disagreements… more than trolls. What was going on, was an elaborate game, being played by more than one player. And in simplest terms I felt I had proven that to myself and probably would never be able to prove it to anyone on here, so what was the point, might as well end this thing. And if you read the last 2 blogs you could see I was definitely heading for an ending to this thing. Then I watched the movie “Seven Psychopaths“, if you haven’t seen it check it out, it’s pretty good. Without giving away to much of the movie, the 7 psychopaths mentioned in the title are brought together randomly to fit the story, some are connected, some come in by chance, and some might not even be real.

Any ways, this started me thinking about all the comments being left, before my blog I kinda thought most of the games were being played by 1 or 2 people or at least people who were connected to each other or to this case. And I still believe this to be true, but then I started realizing that there were some random trolls/sleuthers playing their part in this game. And the movie started me wondering maybe some random psychopaths are involved as well.

What I mean is this, there has been lots of comments that the LISK is amongst these screen names. That the killer or killers frequents these sites, maybe even creates some of them, to be involved in the sleuthing as well as stalk and mess with those out there who might be too close in their sleuthing. And as crazy as this sounds I do think this is impossible. But the movie got me thinking, that sites like these can attract others… random psychos. That was even easier to believe really.

So I admit I got a little freaked out… not for me, but for those involved that my blogs might endanger. I mean there was a lot of BS (that is not my POI)  maybe coming from sock-puppets, or trolls, or LISK, or just some random crazy person lurking in. I did not want my meddling blog to be the reason some crazy person went over the edge.

So I started removing posts. I decided I was done with this game and no ending was needed for the blog.

But the comments kept coming, so I made a fake Facebook and dug deeper.

I made a  Facebook because I wanted to communicate with the different Facebook pages involved with this.  The first Facebook person to accept my “Friend Request” did not go so well.  I said who I was and why I was bothering them on Facebook (I really did have a good reason) and got no reply, but the next day this Facebook Page was gone. Wow, I looked like a stalker.

So I decided again, I’m done with this, this just really has nothing to do with me. But the comments kept coming. Why do you come here when I accuse so many of you of playing games and have stated many times that neither side, or actually NONE of the sides are playing fair, nor being totally truthful.  But you did, so I  got more involved.

I have sent out emails, some returned some not. Most who I corresponded with had close to the same thing to say. But there was some differences, and there was still some dishonesty about who is who going on. So I went back to the Facebook page.

So I went to someone I had been exchanging emails with just to see if they were who they said they were. And yes, the Facebook Page I contacted was theirs. So here was one more person I was pretty sure was who they said they were. But after a few IMs they wanted to know more of who I really was since I now knew they were who they were. So I brought up Vegas and a few things about me, and they asked me if I was someone. A distinct name.  A name of someone in Vegas I knew.

WTF? Once again I freaked out a little. At first I thought, OMG I look like a stalker again, but they had come to my blog, right. Were they stalking me? The name they brought up was someone I had not seen in a few years so I realized, this was just another coincidence, even on the outer edges of this case strange coincidences could be found. So we knew someone mutually. I knew they were real, and now they knew who I was as well. And I got a lot of info from this person, most of it was stuff I had heard from others, but now this pattern was showing. And what have I learned… a lot.

Again, most of the info from emails etc. came from people I know are involved in this case, some closer than others,  and I will continue to not bring any of their identities up.  Since I myself made a fake  Facebook page to talk to people, I can understand why some people don’t want to be mentioned. Also I have received almost no emails back from the screen names that I think are trolls or sock-puppets or whatever you want to call them. The ones with diarrhea of the comment and like to change their screen names. I have sent a few out to them and have had no reply, probably cause they do not check their fake emails.

So what have I learned… pretty much what I have suspected. Games. And I could go on about why I thought some of you are playing them, but it would prove nothing. And since it has been going on for so long, I’m not sure which ones of you truly think you are helping, which ones of you are purposely hurting, and which ones of you are random psychopaths picked up by this rolling snowball.

But I will say this, Mari probably has no idea who zero (me) is, but she does know some of you, and it seems to me at least, Mari is the one being hurt by all this. Misinformation, misdirection, repeated BS! Mari and her family, as well as all the other victims families need answers, not games. So I hope ALL of you, but especially the ones actually involved in this case one way or another, can at least see that, and be more careful about what you are doing.

As for me and this blog… I am a stranger to this case and those involved in it so I don’t have half the info on this case as most of you and could not add much to the sleuthing. So I will move on but  still keep checking back in hopes this case is solved soon.  Today the comments here have finally calmed down so maybe you will all move on as well. But if not… I’ll still be here, I don’t know how much any of you actually read my blog anyway, like with LISK.com it’s all about the comments.

Oh and anyone wanting to chat about any of this, but not in the public forum, can  send me and email at zerodinh@rocketmail.com

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And The Rest…

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So I had a plan to how this blog would continue… the next title was to be CHERYL#1 and bring us back into those final comments on LISK.com that I first had stumbled on to in February. I was gonna write about how Chery#1 seemed to be the one who tried to really stay out of the finger-pointing and name calling and would try to keep things on topic. But as I have commented, stuff came out of the games as well and Cheryl#1 seemed to be able to separate and discuss what was important without going off on those who were deemed “spreading misinformation”. Not that Cheryl#1 did not comment on people being suspicious with the info they had (such as Flukeyou). But Cheryl seemed (to me at least) try to stay above the drama without constantly complaining about the drama like others did. This would have then brought me to M.D. Rice and Linda. Which would have came first, I’m not sure, because honestly I was worried about Linda’s. I knew it was gonna seem harsh. So I probably would have ended Cheryl#1 leading into the sometimes arguments that Cheryl#1 and M.D.Rice would get into. Then next would have titled

M.D.RICE and I would have written about M.D.Rice someowhat take on the case (which is a little confusing because they never could really fully comment  on their ideas, but I believe it had something to do with a professional hit man with a personal vendetta of some sort. Which I would have then gone into how that makes me thing of Fluke and the other “gangster names” said to have lived in OB. Then on to how some like Cheryl#1 suspected M.D.Rice was a fake screen name or not who they claim to be or something like this, I have not yet gone back to reread and get the whole jist of it, and since I’m not continuing the blog in this manner there is no need to at this moment figure out M.D.Rice. But I do know I would have ended that blog discussing why commenters like Cheryl#1 and others saw things in M.D.Rice’s comments but could not see what I saw in Linda’s comments. Which would have made the next blog called

LINDA, (edited since original post) Linda’s comments seemed to be contradicting.  She could be nice and friendly but then could also be pretty harsh. From feeling foolish to suddenly ranting on and on about others.  Linda was not the only one to call names, but hers could be like I said, harsh. Next would have been

PS149 which would have been cool, cause PS149 has recently joined us here in comments. I mainly would have had questions about comments PS149 made and why they were so sure (if they did not know him personally) KNOW CPH was innocent. I would have also brought my belief that PS149 and Too Close Too Home did not seem like the same person to me, but I wondered if they didn’t know each other in RL. I would have then bought it full circle to

MYSTERYMOM7 and about how I felt about her being stalked, which I have said again and again is a CRIME and not a GAME and she needs to keep up on it till some one is held responsible, I would have also gone into how, like other’s, I could see how the possible influence from Flukeyou could be distracting some of her ideas and so on and so forth, but again why go on about it now right?

Then it would have been time for some kind of ending… but what? I mean I haven’t shown anything that most of you don’t already know… the TRUTH will come out or it won’t… hopefully the CPH trial will answer some questions, but maybe it won’t. As I have always said, hopefully this case gets solved SOON!  For the victims and the families, this is what NEEDS to be done. And also as I have said I am not in any position but to ask questions when it comes to the LISK case. But I could see through some of these comments on LISK.com and thought I could get a better understanding by blogging about it, and I did. But proving anything is impossible. At least for me. I can only speculate, and as of yesterday, I realized that would help no one reading this blog. Only myself. And that would defeat the whole reason I started blogging.

But we still have to have some sort of ending…

So bear with me…

just a little bit longer.

Ruffled Feathers

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Seems like no body wants to be on the other side of sleuthing…

Funny thing is, I was gonna blog today about how much more you all seemed to be pulling together and actually making some progress towards what you all say you are doing… trying to help the victims and their families. But too many of you want to blame me for what you have all created… so I will continue… if you want me to stop, ignore me, or better yet, STOP PLAYING GAMES!

Cheryl

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These creeps have no off-switch. They’re EVERYHWERE. Especially Online.
They work very hard to be liked. But they are an infection. They’re a disease.
Now let me tell you how I really feel….

Cheryl on August 31st, 2011 at 8:36 am

I’m assuming that this is the same commenter as Cheryl#1, if I am wrong I hope someone will correct me. If I’m right then Cheryl is a good bridge from old posts to last posts, because Cheryl was there through most of it and stayed out of most of the finger-pointing. To me Cheryl seemed to be real, not a sock-puppet for someone else.  A free-thinker.  But Cheryl did doubt some of the “inside” info:

@Maddellena
Exactly

I doubt seriously that SCPD is leaking information to any Oak Beach resident.

Any “inside” information is either a lie, or actully coming from

the”inside.”

And I doubt PH killed a woman’s daughter near his home, left her there, discarded her personal effects in his back yard, then called the victim’s mother to make sure she’d know he was, perhaps, the last people to have seen her alive.

Someone framing him would do all these things.

I’m not even sure WHO made the call from Hackett’s home. Hackett himself may have called. His behavior is strange. But why?

As for his possible stalker,
Only an obsessed individual would pour over Hackett’s income tax returns – or claim to.
Conclusions reached from that is purely speculative – junk really.

Stating as FACT that Hackett partied with hookers and drugs – leads to the reaonable conlusion that the accuser was also present. They were there- or it’s untrue.
Either Way.
This is BAD.
Personality disorder – AT BEST
I focus on Brewer and whoever else was with Shannan that night.
Absolutely NO ONE has been ruled out of this investigation
EXCEPT DORMER,
(How far would a father closely connected to LE go in order to protect his child?)

Cheryl on December 27th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

Cheryl also pointed out how easy it would be for someone to comment as someone else, ANYONE else:

By The Way

I’m not sure WHY
But anyone can post using another person’s name on this website

Cheryl on December 27th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

I’m not. I’m Cheryl (#1) using the same email address I always use.

Catch My Drift?

Mari Gilbert on December 27th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

That should not post

Cheryl on December 27th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

Cheryl commented as Mari to show how someone could comment under any name, even if they were already commenting under another. But earlier someone else had posted as Mari:

I am so Happy that FlukeYou has a Good mind, and talks so well because I am so sick of the lies, and two-face people.
Thank you Fluke!

Mari Gilbert on November 6th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

Now, was this also Cheryl poking fun at Flukeyou, or was this what Cheryl saw and realized people may be commenting as others. So then was this Mari? I know that some of the victims families have talked to some of those who commented on this site. But this comment came out of nowhere. Was it Flukeyou?

Cheryl was one of the few on LISK.com who did not seem to have a hidden agenda or hidden info. So their insights are import.

Florida Connection

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Speaking of Daytona Beach, there are several residents that live in Oak Beach who own property in Florida. Interesting.

This was left in a comment by Fascinated on August 23rd, 2011. And I agree it is interesting. In fact it is one of the first questions I had when I started reading LISK.com back in February. What is the Florida connection?

Let’s take a look at more comments left way back in 2011 about this.

LE was looking into Daytona Beach.
People and things overlap.

Cheryl on August 23rd, 2011 at 7:31 am

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A gang member with ties to all the players lives near daytona….he is capable of anything and goes by two different names…he still has a house at oak beach but was shamed out of the community…life long drug abuser with a penchant for partying…he is a close friend of GC …..has ties to bad people that do bad things

Flukeyou on August 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

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Oak Beach, Atlantic City and Daytona Beach are a straight line down the east coast.
If people have property in Oak Beach have properties on Daytona Beach it would mean that SK had could have connections there.

Cheryl on August 23rd, 2011 at 3:56 pm

Now this was before the Screen Name MM7 was involved in the LISK.com posts, but as we all know now, she allegedly lives in Florida. We also know that CPH also lives in Florida. This to me was the first strange coincidence I noticed last February while reading on LISK.com.  Is there something more to that… probably.

Masters Vito and Damian are 2 names that are linked to alternative lifestyle parties in the New York area. But theses parties also were in Florida.

Master Vito may just well be Vito Sarfati the narrator for “Confessions of the Oak Beach Drifter”.  And according to Vito’s Facebook page he is W. the actual author of the book. And this author also just happens to live in Florida.

Victims

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Before I move on looking at comments left on LISK.com, I know that many think that this is just more distraction from the real case and justice for the victims. I want to make clear that my interest is what brought me to LISK.com and not the other way around. And as I have shown, these games of misdirection and finger-pointing has been going on at LISK.com for a long time. I just started reading it in February of this year, but looking back there are tons of comments accusing others of not caring about the victims, and not helping the victims, and hurting the victims.

I don’t know if the victims or their families are being hurt by any of this. Although I do understand that some of these screen names have been involved with the families to some extent, so I’m sure they know who the helpful ones are by now and who is spreading misdirection, maybe, but maybe not. I don’t know. But as for my involvement and this blog… I stated from the beginning that this was to find the truth behind the comments and not to catch a serial killer. But I think if you are honest you can’t help but see, that getting to the truth behind LISK.com comments can and will help the victims, even if it’s just to show that there are people out there that are misrepresenting their involvement in this case.

So if you truly care about the victims, then you should see that my wanting to seek out the truth behind all these comments and inside information still can help the victims and their families. But in my humble opinion, it is the authorities that owe it to the victims to make sense of this mess and do their job and solve this case or cases. I’ll leave you, for now, with all your own words. Did you mean them?

I agree with Wanda. I stand for the victims and their families and part of that pledge is bringing tranparancy and clarity to the investigation. Maddalena is not my real name but I do not use other names to further confuse or mix up. In defense of Cheryl 2, I think that her heart is in the right place and just happens to be her name of choice but has since made amends.

Maddalena on January 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am

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That is very true,Linda. And that is the most important thing. We all want justice for the victims.

M.D. Rice on February 20th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

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THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT…please stop guys!! totally not important argument in the big picture?? hello?? THE VICTIMS??

linda on February 21st, 2013 at 8:25 pm

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 Most important, it just isn’t fair to the victims to have these sick individuals demanding that searching for the real killer(s) by giving the false hope of the incorrect accusation of who the LISK is. Anyone who really cares about seeking justice for the victims will understand how important it is to keep an open mind and not let the words of a few diseased minds stop anyone from looking for the real killer. The victims deserve justice. They deserve much more than having an innocent man framed for their murders while the real killer walks the streets ready and able to kill again.

For the sake of the victims, trust nothing you see written or said that cannot be verified. For the sake of the victims, do not let one man’s personal vendetta stop you from looking for the real LISK.

ps149 on February 27th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

All Been Said Before

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so, this is one way it is done. Create a false enemy, and get your victim to believe you share this in common. Then the victim lets you in under the guise of defeating the enemy. The enemy is right there next to you pointing their finger. Isn’t that so, crappy? Borderline much?

VeryReal on January 13th, 2012 at 2:08 am

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@Very Real-You took the words that I could not say right out of my mouth. I suspect the reason for people posting under multiple names is that they have support from what appears to be other posters regarding their theory. I much rather debate with those who disagree than deal with creepiness esp those who are one individual who post interchangebly under female and male guises.Makes me wonder what else they are capable of. I think the killer can be found on this site or perhaps his lacky associates.

Maddalena on January 13th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

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i wish some of you cooks that talk in riddles,and keep accusing people would stop it. your giving me a damn head ache.can’t even read good post cause of your shit.if your not here to help just leave.you sound like a bunch of kids, that your parents need to pay attention to what you pull up on your pc.stop insulting ppl.stop talking about ppls chin hairs,how fat they are…etc.. none of this has anything to do with this case so why say it,other than to be a immature brat.and if you continue the admin needs to block your ip address.have a great day.

wanda on January 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

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@Nasty
What Mari said is what I meant by compromised. Some people here have “fly on the wall” information and I have to question exactly how they came by it.
And Sybill, I mean Sophia, used this thread to drop hints until we can came to the conclusion that best suited “her” agenda.
If these insiders have gone to Law Enforcemen then what’s their point here? We are honestly interested in the case but we are not pawns.

Cheryl on August 22nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm

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Cheryl, I say keep em talkin and discern for yourself. I can tell nothing bogus is going to get passed you woman. You’re really sharp. So is Mari and the others. Im curious as to why anyone would waste precious moments of his or her life to deceive others on a discussion board and it really makes you wonder…I’m referring to Sybil and others who have stopped by to chat.

The Nasty on August 22nd, 2011 at 8:39 pm

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@too close to home

I’ve been reading the two of you since the beginning…back and forth,back and forth…..Its not about the 2 of you.
Theres a poster on the other website saying similar things….are you over there busting his chops too every time he posts something?
I don’t know for sure if CPH is a killer;But he is a proven pathological liar.Definitely One of my POIs as far as involvement goes.And my opinion is not based on what Fluke says.You have to admit that things don’t look so good for CPH.
TS has done some great sleuthing on CPH on the other site…and those are FACTS.
The things Fluke posts about just happened to have been True,regardless of how he knows.
You’re the only one here (or anywhere,for that matter) that doesn’t want Fluke to talk.
So far, I know you’ve been right about one thing…..This is NOT a game.
LE is still on the case and still questioning people….
So if you have information (that are facts) about Fluke,then I suggest you meet with the detectives.
If you care so much for the victims and their families…go out there and bring some new information to the site.CPH isn’t the only POI out there being dicussed.
The other site has an abundance of interesting factual information about other questionable characters.If you want to talk research.
Speaking of FACTS…you still didn’t answer…
How do you KNOW Fluke is lying?
How do you KNOW CPH isn’t involved in any way?

BTW….for someone doesn’t know CPH…you sure get worked up.

Puzzled on March 10th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

These comments and many others, like mine, not trying to figure out the LISK case but trying to figure out LISK.com. What is the purpose here? How many are just outsiders sucked in? How many have inside info because they are involved in the case? Who’s being tricked and who’s really doing the tricking? And WHY?  Always back to this. Why is this ongoing finger-pointing game going on for so long on this site?

I heard the site had closed down once before and I found this comment left by admin:

please do not argue. we already closed the site because of people being argumentative. it is okay to express how you feel about this subject but do not attack other members of the site.

admin on March 1st, 2012 at 12:48 pm

This seems to simplify it way too much. A lot more than arugmenting was going on…

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