So I had a plan to how this blog would continue… the next title was to be CHERYL#1 and bring us back into those final comments on LISK.com that I first had stumbled on to in February. I was gonna write about how Chery#1 seemed to be the one who tried to really stay out of the finger-pointing and name calling and would try to keep things on topic. But as I have commented, stuff came out of the games as well and Cheryl#1 seemed to be able to separate and discuss what was important without going off on those who were deemed “spreading misinformation”. Not that Cheryl#1 did not comment on people being suspicious with the info they had (such as Flukeyou). But Cheryl seemed (to me at least) try to stay above the drama without constantly complaining about the drama like others did. This would have then brought me to M.D. Rice and Linda. Which would have came first, I’m not sure, because honestly I was worried about Linda’s. I knew it was gonna seem harsh. So I probably would have ended Cheryl#1 leading into the sometimes arguments that Cheryl#1 and M.D.Rice would get into. Then next would have titled
M.D.RICE and I would have written about M.D.Rice someowhat take on the case (which is a little confusing because they never could really fully comment on their ideas, but I believe it had something to do with a professional hit man with a personal vendetta of some sort. Which I would have then gone into how that makes me thing of Fluke and the other “gangster names” said to have lived in OB. Then on to how some like Cheryl#1 suspected M.D.Rice was a fake screen name or not who they claim to be or something like this, I have not yet gone back to reread and get the whole jist of it, and since I’m not continuing the blog in this manner there is no need to at this moment figure out M.D.Rice. But I do know I would have ended that blog discussing why commenters like Cheryl#1 and others saw things in M.D.Rice’s comments but could not see what I saw in Linda’s comments. Which would have made the next blog called
LINDA, (edited since original post) Linda’s comments seemed to be contradicting. She could be nice and friendly but then could also be pretty harsh. From feeling foolish to suddenly ranting on and on about others. Linda was not the only one to call names, but hers could be like I said, harsh. Next would have been
PS149 which would have been cool, cause PS149 has recently joined us here in comments. I mainly would have had questions about comments PS149 made and why they were so sure (if they did not know him personally) KNOW CPH was innocent. I would have also brought my belief that PS149 and Too Close Too Home did not seem like the same person to me, but I wondered if they didn’t know each other in RL. I would have then bought it full circle to
MYSTERYMOM7 and about how I felt about her being stalked, which I have said again and again is a CRIME and not a GAME and she needs to keep up on it till some one is held responsible, I would have also gone into how, like other’s, I could see how the possible influence from Flukeyou could be distracting some of her ideas and so on and so forth, but again why go on about it now right?
Then it would have been time for some kind of ending… but what? I mean I haven’t shown anything that most of you don’t already know… the TRUTH will come out or it won’t… hopefully the CPH trial will answer some questions, but maybe it won’t. As I have always said, hopefully this case gets solved SOON! For the victims and the families, this is what NEEDS to be done. And also as I have said I am not in any position but to ask questions when it comes to the LISK case. But I could see through some of these comments on LISK.com and thought I could get a better understanding by blogging about it, and I did. But proving anything is impossible. At least for me. I can only speculate, and as of yesterday, I realized that would help no one reading this blog. Only myself. And that would defeat the whole reason I started blogging.
But we still have to have some sort of ending…
So bear with me…
just a little bit longer.
LISK.com 
Apr 23, 2013 @ 17:11:31
Is anyone interested in talking about the facts of this case anymore?? Or are we just slinging shit around….and rolling around in it? I would really like to start at the beginning…and talk about what the facts of this case are….without accusing anyone of anything. Are we capable of just talking about the facts that we know??
Here, I will kick it off….we can start in Atlantic City…November 20, 2006.
Four women found in drainage ditch behind Golden Key Motel, just off the Black Horse Pike.
Kim Raffo 35
Molly Jean Dilts 20
Tracy Ann Roberts 22
Barbara V. Breidor 42
All prostitutes.
SK….addict. Addicted to power, sex, control, alcohol consumption, gambling.
Apr 23, 2013 @ 18:35:35
Just want to point out… the point of my blog (you can look at the disclaimer) was not to sleuth this case, I was showing how these shit slinging (as you put it) which seemed to come from all sides in LISK.com, looked to someone who was just looking for some real info on the case. Also to show that some of this “inside” info also slung around made a whole bunch of you like ither raving lunatics or people involved in the case purposely. To be honest, I’m not sure why anyone is still here… I have said from the begining, I think most of you are playing games. But I also understand there are some out there who would truly like to discuss this case, so I will try to steer my blog towards that. But I looked back over 2 years of this on LISK.com and the slinging just comes with it I guess. I am no sleuther, but i too think alanta is connected…
Apr 23, 2013 @ 20:35:52
Unless you believe the dismembered victims are also LISK, too, and then you would have to go back to at LEAST April 1996-JD Fire Island.
Apr 24, 2013 @ 04:20:38
sunshine!!
not That familiar with AC case as LISK. Lets start with Kim Raffo: Husband: HA
sound good?
Apr 23, 2013 @ 17:18:47
About a three hour trip from long island depending on where you are.
Apr 23, 2013 @ 20:02:15
Levittown to Atlantic City appox three hours and EZ Pass records of this trip (or trips – could have been spaced out over Sept/Oct/early Nov). The CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS HERO AWARD to the person who can tell Law Enforcement (of Atlantic County, NJ) who paid for Molly Jean Dilts’ stay at the Borgata and prove it with evidence (e.g., credit card bill, video surveillance camera, etc). Molly Jean told her cousin that a client/”john” treated her to a stay at the Borgata. He also bought her clothes including at least one article of clothing by Tommy Hilfiger. SECOND AWARD goes to the person who can find “Papa Joe” who owned the diner and saw the man with who was driving the car with “out of state” plates — the car in which Kim Raffo got in. Papa Joe SAW THE LAST MAN to have been seen with Kim Raffo before she was brutally murdered by the serial killer. No shoes on their feet – foot fetish. Head facing East/toward Long Island. Ties to Long Island — UtopiaGuide/Long Island-based CCC members’ gambling parties and trips to Atlantic City to gamble there as well. Connect more dots.
Apr 23, 2013 @ 20:06:04
The only slinging I want is the sound of that FEDERAL PRISON JAIL CELL door “clank” shut and the slinging of his books to the floor by the guard after he (the serial killer) realizes he could have done GOOD things in the world instead of commiting EVIL acts against people and animals. As a result of his evil ways, he will spend the rest of his sorry life in jail. Strangling, rapist, pathological liar, manipulative, mean/cruel, uncaring, misogynist, controlling, evil sadist psychopath SERIAL KILLER.
Apr 23, 2013 @ 21:02:20
How did I miss this post? I say WRITE IT! What’s the backlash from it? Linda gets all pissy pants… AGAIN? Even IF she is who she says she is (and I still SERIOUSLY question whether she’s a woman, and this is coming from an ACTUAL WOMAN who was forced out of anonymity by ps149 and “kristinsaysso”), she flips on a dime. Even looking through the comments here… the same time she’s commenting here (after I said I wasn’t going to read here anymore… and then changed my mind)… she’s commenting completely contradictory statements on my blog. Here she bashes me, and on my blog she’s supportive. Either she’s a man trying to impersonate a woman or she’s a woman hopped up on some serious meds.
All this, “what about the victims”, from all these names… that is ABSOLUTELY what this is all about. What you’re doing here, zero, is what I did when I got booted from WS. I read all (at the time) 800+ comments on the Gronk email and it was Cheryl#1, ps149, fluke, MD Rice, tooclosetohome and linda (and an occasional visitor) BEFORE I ever commented. I took the screen shots of linda’s comments BEFORE I commented because my BS meter was skyrocketing. It pissed me off. I called out the BS. At first, I was on a rampage thinking EVERYONE (except for tooclose and fluke) was a sock puppet of Hackett’s. That’s where I was wrong. I even thought Cheryl#1 was a sock puppet of Hackett’s because she was buddying up to linda, who I thought was a sock puppet of Hackett’s.
On your end, I guess you’re still trying to figure out who is who, and I get that. I did the same. My concern when I started my blog was who was stalking me on WS and who followed me over to lisk.com to stalk me and give out my personal info and the first comment on my blog came from C Peter Hackett with that ONE IP coming out of Coram, NY- NOT FL, where even I believed he was living. Because, IMO, THAT person has EVERYTHING to do with bringing JUSTICE to the victims. THAT person has a SERIOUS motivation to shut me up. THAT person may very well be LISK. THAT person, IMVHO, is Hackett.
THAT is why I’m fighting to bring this cyber/stalker down, and I have gone through hell and back because of it. My phone has been tapped, and I have SOLID evidence of it starting at LEAST in December (I think it’s been longer, but the solid evidence is mid-Dec). The stalker knows the hell I’ve been through reporting this and how EVERY DAY I’ve made efforts to see this through. I will continue. The FBI will be taking possession of the drone within the next week or so to gather MORE evidence. I’ve handed over an IMMENSE amount of evidence. Like I said, he knows this. He even knows that I made links to Daytona Beach and CALLED Daytona Beach homicide to give MORE evidence to them. He’s scared. He should be.
Apr 24, 2013 @ 09:31:38
I have actually talked to quite a few people now… And I got an Idea who is who/ as far as sceene names etc. The first thing I ever commented was on your blog and LISK.com is about LINDA. As a mater of fact the first time I was brought up on LISK.com was by Linda complaining to you that you weren’t sticking up for her while some blogger called her a serial killer, and you asked if she ment zero. Of course I had never called her a serial killer, but only expressed my concern about how their posts seemed either fake or unstable. Linda still goes back n forth here on me, praising me and thanking me and talking about my post on “The Decline” (I noticed that post being brought up other places as well, cool, the song isn’t depressing it’s just a mirror, like my blog) then blaming me for all this, which I clearly had nothing to do with, again I’m didn’t start this fire, didn’t even find LISK.com or your blog tell Feb.
Thing is, there are a few posts from Linda on my blog where they start rambling…(if you noticed, when there is a lull in others commenting that is when Linda is most dangerous to themselves, that’s when the other side of Linda comes out) and I did not let through that Linda really reveals themselves, one talking about being obbsesed with this, I left that one out, and then the other day a bad one about you (MM7) that included your family, that really had no reason for me to post.
I went litely on Linda compared to all the things I wanted to say, and they still went on and on about it.
But really Linda is just an easy one to see through… there are others here just that were much harder to crack. Thing is though, anything I say can be ignored (most my comments that point out something are) or someone will just deny it. But I have talked to a lot of peole involved in this now, and I have a pretty good idea what is going on here.
Apr 24, 2013 @ 16:22:25
The whole “blogger” thing confused me. Apparently linda calls anyone who comments “bloggers”. You and I are “bloggers”, the people who comment on our blogs or who were commenting on lisk.com are also not “bloggers” or “blogging”, they are “commenting”.
Apr 24, 2013 @ 16:43:27
take it easy zero, i can take a hint..lol..sunshower catch me on WS…god you guys are TOTALLY wrong..its pathetic..the song still rocks..lol
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:44:13
thanks for the lesson MM7, how did i make it this far without you!! dummy
Apr 24, 2013 @ 16:15:54
lol..paranoid..thats cute
Apr 24, 2013 @ 16:27:23
soooo vry wrong…you really must be crazy..lol…too much
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:21:08
MM7…guess what?? NOBODY believes you’re being STALKED..isnt time to play with the kids ??
Apr 23, 2013 @ 21:05:25
BTW, I don’t get a tag? Geez! Where’s the love? 😉
Apr 24, 2013 @ 09:01:17
oops
Apr 24, 2013 @ 12:23:03
In any case, all women had been living in or near Atlantic City (prositutes/escorts and some were single mothers, others were drug addicts). VERY sad.
http://www.michellesigona.com/2011/01/police-believe-serial-killer-at-work-on-long-island-update/
Stop blaming the serial killings on Hugh Auslander. He loved his wife and wanted her to get clean as well as make their marriage work and get their children back. I can’t say the same for the CCC members. The comments they make about cheating on their wives and hobbying addiction is enough to make anyone want to hurl. Suffice to say that when the list of “who’s who” within the CCC goes public, Newsday will need to print a supplement. These men are mentally ill and it sounds like many of them are very insecure including about their manhood. Many discussions about “blue pills” and instructions to other men how to lie to their wives. Joey Brewer’s “bachelor parties” at Oak Beach and the best AMPs in Bayside. Funny, I found emails from escorts that Mr. Bozo told me was “spam” and ATM withdrawal receipts in Bayside, Queens. Far from his office in Merrick. Guess he didn’t want his sister in Auburndale to know he was in Queens that night. Nice brother. Nice uncle. Nice evidence.
May 09, 2013 @ 05:34:14
And BTW, you are WAY out of line telling people who to stop “looking” at….this is America, and believe it or not, not EVERYONE has to see it your way..i just love how you think your actually helping LE, as if this is an open and shut case that only YOu have the insight and “intelligence” to solve…the arrogance is unreal!
Apr 24, 2013 @ 16:14:58
Ask not what your country (or county) can do for you…ask you what you can for your country (or county). PLEASE help us end human and sex trafficking. These women (and they are mostly women) are victims and they have been through HELL, controlled by evil men who keep them prisoners in their lives (physical prisoners, financial, emotional, sexual etc). Please help us HELP these women (and all children) break free. HELP the young boys too — many are pawns of drug dealers too. Jerry Sandusky (now in Federal jail) helped to run the boy prostitution ring / “hustling” in Times Square in the 70s and 80s. Greg Bocceroni is one of the best experts on the Philadelphia-PA-NY “hustling ring”. I spent hours listening to him (some very tearful) and learning from him. He helped me connect even more dots. It’s horrific how the Mafia kept these boys as prisoners. These boys are now men in their 40s and 50s — I would imagine many of them need serious psychological help. Please keep these men in your prayers — that they find inner peace, protection and real love in their lives.
Click to access disrupt_ht_chart.pdf
Apr 25, 2013 @ 13:31:52
East Coast / Atlantic Ocean & West Coast / Pacific Ocean: fisherman and ILLEGAL prostitution including minors. Please help to educate others and END all human and sex trafficking including of innocent children!
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/fish-and-sex-trade131006/
Apr 27, 2013 @ 13:51:26
I think it best that you keep your blog as you intended, zero. There’s Psalms123, going to exorcise the demons of the one she claims to be the SK. Then there’s MM7. Between the 2 of them, the case is solved! Why sleuth when they “solved” it with their warped ingenuity? And if MM7 were so concerned about being “stalked”, why does she go from forum to forum, get banned but keep on going online like the energizer bunny? Give me a break. Could have said give “us” a break but I’m not a part of “they”, “them”, or “we”. The facts of the case are not being revealed by either of these 2.
Apr 27, 2013 @ 16:02:48
CEASE AND DESIST COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT
I, [insert perpetrator’s name here] do hereby agree to stop emailing me, messaging me, texting me, messaging me through other people, calling my home or cell number, hanging up, telling people I’m behind a “sock puppet” named CPH, telling people or posting that I’m the woman with the Long Island accent calling threats to you and that it is my voice on your recording of a phone call, which are in violation of JENNIFER GRINBERG‘s rights.
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This is a piece of an email I recently received from “jjj” asking for my signature on a statement full of false information. That day and the previous day I sent emails asking why she would be spreading false information about me to others, namely (according to her), to Mari Gilbert. The last call I had made to her was a month prior and the last text I wrote was 2 months prior to this email. I wouldn’t tell anyone she was behind a “sock puppet” named CPH. Not only because it is untrue, it doesn’t even WORK like that. A “sock puppet” of CPH would be FROM CPH. I don’t ask other people to write/say anything on my behalf, because I am perfectly capable of saying what I want on my own. I never said hers was the voice on my husband’s voicemail because I know it is not. I have a very good idea of who it was, and for her own safety, I made a conscious decision not to reveal my suspicion.
I don’t have any clue why she would spread false information about me or what motivated her to do so. What I DO know is that she is here on a campaign to discredit myself and DPH. I never claimed to have all the “facts” about this case, that is why I did a FOIL request. If she claims that DPH and I are not revealing all the “facts” of this case because she KNOWS the “facts” of this case, then she should give the information to LE, not sit here bitching that I’m not revealing to HER (or any others online) the information I HAVE given to LE.
If she IS in contact with Mari (which, at this point I doubt), then she should have told Mari all along the TRUTH-that I was here to HELP.
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:26:17
I remember when you pretended you hardly knew DPH..YOU ARE A JOKE AND A LIAR!!!
Apr 27, 2013 @ 16:28:33
“…if MM7 were so concerned about being “stalked”, why does she go from forum to forum, get banned but keep on going online like the energizer bunny?”
I don’t think you understand the definition of being CYBERSTALKED. *I* was on websleuths BEFORE ps149 joined. *I* didn’t INITIATE contact with ps149. *I* was banned on *FALSE* information. *I* didn’t give ps149 my personal information to post on lisk.com. *I* didn’t *ASK* ps149 to comment on my blog. *I* have *EVERY RIGHT* to go online and not be *FORCED* offline because I am a victim of *CYBERSTALKING*. My continuation of writing online has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER of the CRIMINAL (State and Federal) ramifications of a cyberstalker. That would be like telling a victim of stalking in a grocery store that she can’t go in the grocery store during the investigation of her stalker.
Apr 27, 2013 @ 16:49:29
YOU were banned because YOU are a STALKER…some of us know you a while…its ALMOST over though 🙂
Apr 27, 2013 @ 16:50:29
YPU are NOT being stalked and YOU know it lol
Apr 27, 2013 @ 17:00:01
if you cared about your kids and were REALLY being stalked, you’d def tone it down…NOBODYS stalking you?? come on already..its over
Apr 29, 2013 @ 07:41:51
you are not being stalked. if you are being cyber-stalked (which i doubt) it is your friend joey. you are either making it up or its in your head.
May 05, 2013 @ 06:55:54
TooClose..fluke has def been writing for her..thus the “intelligent” part..you can smell him a mile away.. everyone but MM7 that is..its laughable at this point
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:24:32
Two of the most PATHETIC examples of strong intelligent woman..pathetic
Apr 27, 2013 @ 21:11:40
“Some of us know you a while”… WHO are “US”??? None of “US” “know” me at ALL. So STFU “you and all your you’s” (remember one of your favorite lines when you thought I was fluke)!
IF I cared about my kids? You can go fuck yourself on that one!
YOU are the most pathetic example of… a single mother? a man? a gay man? a homophobe? a lesbian? a sock puppet? an invalid? a waste of space.
Apr 28, 2013 @ 05:51:06
don’t know about the strong part but intelligent? c’mon linda…she cannnot think for herself at all.and if she IS (doubful) being cyber stalked i would put my $$ on flukeyou. and yes, she lies thru her teeth, but i see thru every word. i also believe that joey jr is (occasionally) using mm7’s name. the writing style. key words…
Apr 27, 2013 @ 21:05:18
Linda, do you actually READ before you write? I said JENNIFER GRINBERG is who I had spoken with. I have been in contact with DPH only a month and have accomplished greater strides working alongside DPH than I had EVER done with JENNIFER GRINBERG.
May 05, 2013 @ 06:57:28
keep guessing mm7..lol
Apr 27, 2013 @ 15:38:56
The FBI, various Police Departments’ respective Homicide / Major Crimes Bureau / Drug Trafficking / Financial Crimes units have the facts and evidence. Let the professionals do their job. Over the course of the past few weeks, events and activities have escalated such that more people who NEED to know the facts, timelines and evidence DO know.
No pity for the CCC members or any of these men. “Gangbang parties” in Manhattan, BDSM links (including Deer Park), young women being stalked (see Natasha Jugo’s female relative’s comments to the press). The wheels of justice are turning and it’s a good thing that they built a new prison facility in Suffolk County. As NEF told me, “The ship is sinking, the rats are scurrying and rats can’t swim”. (There is also the expression “rat each other out” but we’ll leave others to comment on that.). I grew up in a military intelligence family. I trust the FBI. I don’t trust a single man who subscribed to UtopiaGuide.com, made a donation to it when they got started and/or used any of the affilate sites. These guys are no better than pond scum, especially those who were married and cheated on their wives.
Power. Hobbying addiction. The thrill of not being caught. A man who tells his wife “I need sex twice a day and if I don’t get it, I will get angry.” Sex addiction. Spending money on escorts/prostitutes/hookers/masseuses-who-are-really- “sexual service providers” — whatever you want to call it. It’s a mental health sickness. These men have issues going back to their childhoods — fractured brains from having been sexually abused themselves (in some cases), deep self-hate, projecting rage onto women (DV abuse their wives then “power” over them at AMPs in Queens) >> $2,000 a month+ that should be going into college savings plans, or their own counseling session co-pays, perhaps. Yes, let’s start there.
What woman wants to exclusively date, make any type of commitment to, or be married to a “man” who is so screwed up that he lies about being faithful and a good person, a good Christian….pretends to be an “altar boy” (to quote Fairemily)…. who ruined his former marriage (with children!) due to his demons/alcoholism/”hobbying” habits/illegal drug addiction, hangs out with the other criminals including JOEY BREWER, shows non-stop disrespect for women incuding his female colleagues/boss/business owners on the South Shore of Long Island….and harbors such RAGE against women as his mother turned a blind eye while he and his siblings were sexually abused by their father, then everyone got all “dressed up” for Catholic Mass and dinner on the yacht.
You tell me.
Apr 27, 2013 @ 16:53:01
im tired of YOU lyning TOO..im DATING HOMICIDE, and NOBODYS EVER HEARD OF YOU D!!!! liar
Apr 27, 2013 @ 21:13:11
Dating the entire homicide department? LIAR!!!!
Apr 27, 2013 @ 17:37:30
get over your divorce like everyone else..christ
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:14:42
never have i seen such a PATHETIC example of feminism!! make woman look weak and stupid. stop prayin n get help D!!
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:09:08
The strippers PLAYED YOUR DUMB HUSBAND!!! they probably laugh after it too..get over it woman..
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:27:52
WHY DO YOU PRETEND TO HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT CONNECTIONS!!!!??? LIAR
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:56:01
YOU MARRIED HIM SO WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? why dont you tech women how to pick better men than you?? how to avoid an “animal” like your ex?? even if that means they can’t live in MANHASSET …you know work two jobs to get out of a bad marriage…something like that?
Apr 27, 2013 @ 18:55:39
I am a member at WS’s and I have been a lurker both here, on LISK and on MM7’s blog..
I have to say, MM7 has only ONE valid cyberstalker case. That is the one against whomever wrote the comments on her blog under the name “CPH” and threatened to filet or cut her children into pieces. That is the ONLY cyberstalker case she has.
The nonsense with PS149 was just that… NONSENSE. Whether or not he is the real Doc or not is irrelevant. Both PS149 and MM7 slung a bunch of name-calling at each other. That is not cyberstalking. PS149’s comment that CPH’s town was 4 hours up the road from her house is not cyberstalking. On WS, there are dozens of private messages going around from people who know MM7 (including from Flukeyou). Those people including Fluke have been sharing MM7’s personal info that SHE gave to them. When a person infuses themselves into the middle of a murder investigation and create a public blog, they become a PUBLIC figure. When that happens, he/she is no longer protected under the libel/slander or privacy laws as would a private citizen. When MM7 went public, she could reasonably expect her and her husband to be sleuthed. Inquiring minds need to figure out her connection to the case. It is still possible (but not likely) that she or her husband are connected. If she did not expect to be sleuthed, discussed or investigated, she shouldn’t have gone public and have been so vocal.
the 500 insane comments left on her blog about drugs, masturbation, and other rap song lyrics are to be expected with any blog. It’s spam and spam is not cyberstalking. Just remember, it was she, MM7, who approved for those comments to be published on her blog. Read the terms of service for wordpress. The TOS are in-line with the laws that govern the internet. Once she approved those comments and published them to her blog, her “seal of approval” was placed upon them and she basically declared ownership and responsibility for them.
As far as the crazy person commenting as “CPH” and making those threats to MM7’s kids, that person should be warned by the police not to do such reckless acts. Nobody ever goes to jail or pays any fines for such comments. They probably should, but they don’t. Too difficult to prove. Too much money to prosecute. If the threats keep on coming, then jail time is in order.
The drone, the phone tapping, the prank calls, the mailbox damage, the emails, the letters, the text messages and all the gossip… those may or may not be connected. They all add up to not much in the eyes of law enforcement. MM7 will want everyone to think they do. Truth is, she is a big girl and those are kiddie problems to have. In the real world there are real problems. In her fantasy world, those things might seem like big deals but I just chuckle and wonder why is she being such a baby?
May 05, 2013 @ 06:26:57
Finally TRUTH..thank you so much for this post, it says it all
May 05, 2013 @ 09:24:35
somehow , I missed this one, lol, I let it through but did not read it. it fits right in with my next post (hopefully up today) With every side claiming Cyber-stalking and bulling etc. it’s not hard to see through these endless games.
May 05, 2013 @ 09:36:01
How did I miss this? This is exactly one of my main points I’ve been hinting at here and trying to show without coming straight out and saying it. LI Sleuth makes all the important points when it comes to the aleged cyber-stalking, and as others have pointed out this goes on everywhere. When I looked into this Murt I see him and some others have been calling eachother cyberstalkers for years, every one is stalking everyone, but is any one in danger? As Murt says “stay tuned”…
May 07, 2013 @ 08:08:59
the worst is that she was shown how she was being played…and played along like she was was ‘enlightened’. i did not fool for it for one second (no offense linda). she knows fully that she is deliberately spreading lies, yet she accuses me of spreading ‘misinformation’ about joey, and that (in her delusions) joey is being framed by dr. hackett. diversion? attention? her entire stalking claim is utter BS. delusion? diversion? attention? IMO all part of joey’s game and MM7 is a player, not a pawn.
t’was indeed she that posted her OWN information all over the net.
Pathetic? absolutely! and downright EVIL!
May 09, 2013 @ 04:20:33
no offense taken Tooclose…the depth of her delusion was lost on me. She speaks of “narcissism”, yet created a blog completely about herself, using edited information to spread lies and info first about CPH. then about her supposed cyber stalking..anything to steer away from Fluke..its disgraceful, self absorbed and Completely transparent.
I find it unbelievable that i EVER believed a word she said…can you IMAGINE she actually believes CPH, (in her warped mind the LISK) is actually openly and blatantly stalking her!! it really and truly is scary how these lies have snowballed, and the amount of time spent on these delusions…yet as all can plainly see, the one and only person that is likely behind all this, shell defend to the ends of the earth.
Just when things got way too hot with Fluke, when ps149 exposed him for the fraud he was, mm7 stepped up her cyberstalking chatter..please continue to expose every lie and deversion, as a monster is still out there, probably having a good laugh
May 09, 2013 @ 07:21:16
Again i ask the unanswerable question why?..i simply am having a difficult time believing she is a concerned citizen interested in this case on LI. Of course, i know its possible, but considering ALL that we know now, the question really nags at me.She admits in so many words, that shes more interested and involved in LISK, than cases which gain national attention in her own state (involving child abduction) ..its not only a deflection away from Fluke, its as if JBs house is avoided as well. Fluke gave me a long winded breakdown of who’s who once. He calls him a drug addicted sex addict, but absolutely believes he wouldnt harm anyone..its CPH, but why? do these vendettas run that deep? something more diabolical??..the whole things truly stinks to high heaven
May 09, 2013 @ 04:41:10
A classic case of dishing it out, but not being able to take it…what a hyocrit and crybaby..the comments about her children were horrible, yet she continues to trust Fluke, who makes everyone elses red flag go way up..who knows if it wasn’t just a sick game to gain attention. when one is caught numerous times giving false info, everything one says is questionable..MADE HER OWN BED
Apr 27, 2013 @ 19:52:18
Linda, you lie with Satan. There, your soul burns. I will pray for you as challenging it is to do (and to pray for my husband’s ex who, like many women, are too afraid to report DV abusers/rapists who are the father of their children. Most women I know are very strong. I have lived and worked in five countries and have more experience working with law enforcement than you ever will. That is because you CHOOSE not to share what you know, including evidence, of this crime ring as others such as Cristin and I have done. To me, it was a no-brainer to hire one of the best licensed Private Investigators in the entire country. To me, my marriage is long over. I turned my psychopath ex into the Feds. Not his first wife — she will miss her fancy Lexus when she’s behind bars for being an accomplice to the crime unless DA Spota and his team, or the US Attorney decides she was a victim with trauma bonds / Stockholm Syndrome as I told the Judges last year in Nassau Family Court. You have NO IDEA the hell that my stepsons have gone through. How DARE YOU even discredit Cristin or those within Oak Beach who provided evidence to the FBI and law enforcement. They are brave. What are you?
We (who are in the LIGHT) know the walls are closing in on you. You HAD THE CHOICE TO BE a good and kind person. Instead, you CHOSE evil. Time for you to pay the piper. Thank GOD I don’t have to deal with people like you in my life. Good riddance.
May 05, 2013 @ 06:25:44
psalm..you know NOBODY in LE…get help..lmfao
May 09, 2013 @ 04:24:49
DPH you are most definitely not over your divorce…you RANT about it endlessly, and repeat yourself constantly…you are angree and bitter, and think revenge and a swear campaign will make you whole..get real, this is so very sick!!
May 09, 2013 @ 04:31:37
Time for ME to pay the piper now?? LMAO…just how long is the list you and MM7 believe are involved in these murders?? In the middle of a MAJOR investigation, you both think the LISK and cohorts are here, talking to YOU…whats REALLy scary is that you have now become a religious fanatic, and you people are always taking justice in your own hands to cleanse the world…real sick, dark mind you have. judgmental as well, like nails on a chalboard!!
You have all the hallmarks of bi polor!!!
Apr 27, 2013 @ 20:06:06
No, he preyed on the innocent women. “Come down the street and meet me – leave your cell phone at home, I just want you to be able to relax and enjoy dinner”.
THAT is how Satan speaks. THAT is his modus operandi. Deception, then death. Imagine being a man whose father sexually abused you. Imagine your mother turning a blind eye. Imagine your first wife married you not because she loved you, but because she wanted “kids, a house in Wantagh with a pool, a car and that’s it.” Imagine the rage the builds up over time. Imagine that man then believes he’s “entitled” to an Audi, a $1.2 million dollar house in Manhasset and a wife who earns $350,000 in a senior position for a top firm in Washington, DC (while he “quits his job, stays home with the kids and plays golf with his other stay-at-home dad buddies”).
Then his 2nd wife finds out he’s a monster — an alcoholic — with crooked/criminal friends like Joey Brewer — and to top it off, Mr. “Altar Boy” is a crook — a liar — a cheater — strangler — rapist — sadist — a truly EVIL psychopath. There you go, folks. That’s in a nutshell.
Lorraine Ela and Mari Gilbert know as does Hugh Auslander. They all told me how sorry they are. My empathy for them and their losses, as well as the empathy for my stepsons and the HELL he has put them through, is MUCH deeper than any self-pity (that I don’t have). It has been supplanted with JUSTICE for all the Gilgo Beach and Atlantic City victims that I want so bad that I can reach out and grab it: Federal Courts, Central Islip or New York County (Manhattan, where I lived for 14 years and one of my dear friends is a prosecutor in NYC).
May 09, 2013 @ 05:07:13
There you go folks, according to PSALM, she solved the case..lol
What you dont realize is that other people have gone thru the pain of divorce too. NEWsFLASH!! its not all about you…get the help you so desperately need!!
May 09, 2013 @ 06:05:36
Yet another post about the failure of your marriage and a bunch of personal info that NO BODY cares about and has no relevance to LISK at ALL…the man left you, and its obvious your gonna make him pay for the rest of his life…but what goes through your mind?? do you think your agenda isnt completely apparent, especially to LE…ill put money on it that you ex has a protective order against you…AGAIN nothing relevant and zero proof of SERIAL KILLING
Apr 29, 2013 @ 13:14:27
I hope these criminals are enjoying their last days of freedom. To quote a brave woman in Suffolk County who has gone through more layers of HELL than Lucifer himself, “The rats are on their sinking ship, and remember that rats can’t swim.”
God’s will on Earth as it is in Heaven will be SWIFT…the tides of truth & justice.
If Shannan were your sister, what would YOU do? I know what I would do, and I have done it. Two of my sisters went to college with very successful careers (one with President Obama @ Columbia) and one has some more work to do but she’ll get there as soon as she can break free.
Shannan, Amber, Megan, Maureen, Melissa, Kim, Barbara, Tracy Ann, Molly Jean, 2 other women in the parking lot (throats slashed), the other one who escaped, the Asian transgendered men, Jimmy Bissett, Michael Taus, the student in Chicago (from New Hyde Park), “Peaches”, Jane Doe 6, Jane Doe 9, the mother and daughter (19-24 months old, killed via blunt force and wrapped in floral blanket — check patterns in Wantagh and also with his father who is still alive. That psychopath creepy misogynist has his own demons, so how can he possibly help his son?! Father told me summer 2010 “We can’t help you, we gave up on him a long time ago.”
That father in Glendale Queens preyed on all his children, including the youngest, and abused them, then gave up on his youngest son who struggled with drug addiction and criminal activity (I only found out later). The evil men all found each other on UtopiaGuide.com then started hanging out in Oak Beach @ Joey’s. Serial killers aren’t born. They are made.
Apr 29, 2013 @ 13:44:28
Think I read this comment of Psalms123 somewhere else before or at least chunks of it. Maybe bits & pieces, patched together? Hmmmm, will check.
May 09, 2013 @ 04:54:02
JJJ..you have almost certainly read similar posts form her…she can’t help it…she really has zero clue that she comes off obsessed and extremely bitter…
If all she says was even somewhat true, arrests would have surley been made already..can i solve this case?? course not!! but to try and frame your ex in a bitter divorce is EVIL, considering the nature of theses horrific crimes..shame!!
May 12, 2013 @ 00:13:06
more mystery crap talk that only your delusional mind can decipher!! and personal crap about your family?? who cares and what does ANY of your BS prove??
Apr 29, 2013 @ 16:12:34
jjj – you seem to know so much. What are you doing to end human and sex trafficking on our beloved Long Island, helping these young women who are preyed upon (many of who yearn for an alternative life/job/career in which they are respected for their brains and who they are), and the men who deal with their addictions/demons every day? Jimmy is watching from Heaven. He probably never wanted any of this (as hindsight is 20/20). That’s a new thought for you.
May 09, 2013 @ 06:44:51
JJJ..shes never gets tired of reminding us how smart, intelligent, pure and charitable she is, shameless self promotion. love how she assumes readers here are beneath her and could never be involved in charitable work..zero humilty
Apr 29, 2013 @ 17:51:30
Feds knocked on my neighbor’s door today. LOL. Funny as shit seeing their faces. Wish I was a fly on their wall to hear how they were questioned about their obsession with responding to blogs. Of course they must have blamed their children or their children’s college friends who all use the house wifi. I can see by the looks on their faces how they haven’t got a clue what the Feds were speaking about. They had to give their router, their wifi modem and all their laptops, tablets and smart phones to them. sux that one of the laptops I think is her work computer or her bosses. So friggin funny. I am dying here laughing. Nice work turning them in as cyberstalkers. lol. They got them. yep. yeah! Case closed!
Apr 30, 2013 @ 10:17:39
you know you spelled Eminem wrong…right?
Apr 30, 2013 @ 18:59:57
Congrats MM7. You found out Murtttt. Except that you think Murt is one person and Caitlin is another.
Don’t you get it?
Caitlin and Murt are the same person!!!!!
Now can you guess which one is real and which one is the sockpuppet?
You are so good at this as you think and claim.
Tell us. Tell us which one is the real person!
Sep 13, 2013 @ 00:43:14
I just now ran across this site and this information. I was not aware that my position on anything related to this case was ambiguous. At any rate, I will explain myself as there seems to be some confusion: When I first began studying the LISK case, I had already been familiarized with the Atlantic City Case and at first thought that the two were related. By the LISK I am referring to the four girls found at Gilgo, and I do not include any of the older dismembered victims, the Asian male, or the child, or Shannan Gilbert (I am of the opinion that there is absolutely nothing about Shannan’s death that points to anything other than a horrible accident most probably related to a stimulant-related overdose). As previously noted, at first I thought the killings were related, but as I delved deeper into victimology and facts surrounding both sets of murders, I began to see what I thought were glaring discrepancies in the opinion that one perpetrator committed both sets of murders. I went into some of the reasoning on LISK, but never all of it, and I wont do that here either. Suffice it to say, based on inductive reasoning, deductive reasoning, and systematic study of similar cases and offenders, I came to these conclusions:
A. The AC and LISK offenders are not the same person
B. The AC offender is most probably a Black or mixed race male, heavily criminally involved, probably directly related to prostitution somehow, has a foot fetish, is religious (or at least he thinks so), has a history of sex crimes, has some sort of physical derformity or communication impediment, is very possibly a converted Muslim, and is probably either dead or incarcerated for other crimes, and at the time of the murders was very transient.
C. The LISK (as per defined above) I believe to not be a serial killer per se. There is a logic to why I think so which, again, I am not going to go into. At any rate, the type of person that I think committed the LISK murders of the four girls at Gilgo I don’t necessarily literally think is a hitman, but–rather–the hitman type. By that I mean the assassin type personality, not necessarily an actual assassin. I had mentioned that I truly believe, and I still believe, the reason this offender has not been caught is because officials are looking for a serial killer Ted Bundy type when they should be looking for a Richard Kuklinski assassin type. It doesn’t matter if anyone else would classify him as such, I believe this offender would classify himself as such. I also think that the calls that were made to one of the victims sister were either a) not made by the actual person who killed the girls, or b) were purposefully made and presented as they were in a focused type of staging. After many thousands of hours of study and review, I am of the opinion that there are too many inconsistencies for this to be a “simple” serial killer. I think that he is either a pilot or flies a lot, is probably former military or has had paramilitary training, and probably follows a very strict diet and exercise regimen most of the time.
I think that the meticulous study that I have given this case allows me to safely say that the LISK offender as I define him wanted these girls dead (I have no idea for what reason), so they are dead. Serial killers do not want dead victims, death is just a bad side effect necessary to get what they want.
As a type representative I would point to someone like Israel Keyes. I am not saying he is the offender, but someone much like him. Israel Keyes did not see himself as a serial killer, and I don’t think this man does either.
These are just my opinions. Although I base all my opinions on homicide cases on careful unbiased review of facts, I interpret them through my own personal filter just as everyone does. This could be entirely wrong. But, then again, it could have some merit. That is why I enjoyed LISK.com, because of the influx of information, ideas were being passed around. I left LISK because it was becoming too much of a witchhunt atmosphere. I have continued researching the case and will keep on doing it. I honestly do not care who thinks what about who I am or my motives, I was never in this to impress anyone. M.D. Rice is my real name, I have no suspect of interest in particular, and I never used any other names or identities at LISK.
Sep 15, 2013 @ 12:57:43
Hello MDRice (I am assuming this is MDRice from LISK.com) I have been staying away from all that is LISK, with so many be purposely deceitful, so many injecting themselves deep in the case, so many working together at all of this, it became to difficult to know who was who and what were their motives. You for instance. I have read some of your posts back when LISK.com was still around, and you commenting now does spark my interest. Now you must know that many on LISK.com thought you might be Michael Doughtry aka Jim Jones, aka JJ Fieldnotes. When I last blogged many were trying to point me towards him for different reasons, someone even commented that they were Michael and wanted to also admit to being PS149. There are many allegations about Michael. The teaching scandal MM7 and others would have you believe, a possible relationship between Mari and Him as hinted at to me by a few people, and an anonymous page where he is listed as one of the suspects you can vote for as the Killer. Now you may not be aware of the possible connection people have posted here and other places (though let’s face it most everything else has been taken down) and maybe you are not who people think you are (I did not read long at LISK.com before it was taken down, but I read comments between MM7 and Cheryl about different ideas on who commenters were like yourself and the foreigner, someone I never read.) I did read some of your comments and this comment on my blog fits with others I have read. But since I first stumbled into LISK.com I have learned much more about the people who posted there. I know of many of them trying desperately to be part of Mari’s circle some maybe truly trying to help, but still much damage being done there in the process. Flukeyou aka neighbor JSjr. has been in contact with jjj aka Jen and MM7 aka Cristen. DPH no aka needed has been involved with MM7 all of which went badly because they all accused each other of stlaking each other and/or breaking laws and making up stories. I have not read the new book, but need to. Because the list of people involved in this now is staggering. I could write a book with all the stuff that has been sent to me. The question is why? I blogged about LISK.com and MM7’s blog. basically accusing all of playing games. many have admitted to those games. I shared emails with Jen, Dorothy, MM7, Too Close, Linda, Fieldnotes, W, Mellisa Cann, and others. Though I can never be sure of who is behind all the comments and emails, most of the people I talked with through emails and IMs I feel were who they say they are. But as I have said before there is so much more going on here. And I never even got into the case part of this. But they could be connected. That’s up for those involved to stand up and do the right thing. As I have stated many times LISK.com stuff starts with Flukeyou. MM7 and Jen came into it as well as DPH, but on LISK.com it all started with FLUKE. There was also Truthspider but since the fake screen name thing started early it is hard to say who was really writing as some of these names. (this is getting long, sorry, I’ll try to bring it back) There is also Fieldnotes who has been involved with this since the beginning and whom MM7 considered a pawn in her CPH game, who as I said some think is you. My few emails with Fieldnotes were more about how he wished to not comment on any of this but wanted to make clear he has never written on my blog. Some have told me I was not in contract with the real fieldnotes, but the fieldnotes I spoke with gave me access to their blog (which I have heard is now gone) but I guess it might not have been fieldnotes, but is kinda pointless since that person shared no insight on anything other then to explain the real reason they are not teaching now. I shouldn’t have to explain that part most know the other things said about the subject, and to be honest I have know idea about any of that nor see where it leads. Regardless he was also involved in this from the beginning. And then you add all the other names I mentioned before and blam lots of misleading stuff from people who are connected to the core of this somehow. So you maybe just a commenter on a site or someone twisted up in webs. Point is, how is any one to know any more?
Sep 16, 2013 @ 13:54:59
You are absolutely right. You don’t know that I am who I say I am, but that is okay. I am not trying to force you to believe anything. I merely wanted to clarify some things that appeared to have been confusing as to my thoughts on the subject. I left LISK because of all the drama and craziness, so, believe me, I understand your position and why you are so wary and I don’t blame you. I have nothing to prove, as I said, I merely wanted to clarify and I don’t have any intentions on getting caught up in that craziness again either.
As you say, you don’t know that I am who I say I am and my motives are not to make you feel more confused or uncomfortable, so it is probably better if I just don’t post here anymore I guess? I have never been studying this case for any purposes other than to try to find some truth, I have no ulterior motives.
I wish you the best,
M.D. Rice
Sep 17, 2013 @ 09:29:04
No please, comment here as much as you want, at first I had no idea about JS, MM7, and Jen, but I know lots about them now, so the commenting and emails does lead us somewhere. Again, my only thing of you is that many think you are JJ fieldnotes, and he continues to say he does not comment on here. I have stayed away from LISK stuff lately, but recent things (new book, your comment, and a few other peoples emails) have led me to think I should start blogging about this again. Some people think my blog just confused things more, but since my blog started almost all others have stopped, also it was my blog that got Jen and MM7 to admit the so called fieldnotes interview was a hoax. LISK.com stoped right after I started putting up older posts from it. Though MM7 will probably never admit it her blog stopped because of mine, people were commenting on mine about her changing their comments etc on her blog. Her blog then moved to her facebook page, which again is gone due to me. I am an outsider, a father from California who now lives in Las Vegas who’s interest in this case led me to LISK.com and then to MM7’s CPH blog. I am an outsider who did not know anyone or their involvement in the case. But I saw through BS and set a lot of this straight, but so many are trying to act as if all they did was for the good of the case and the victims and their family. I have long ago proven that to be a lie. But I do not want those who truly want to help find the truth for themselves and the victims and their families to stop if their intentions are good, In fact so many who swore to me they were being truthfull and swore they were being stalked in someway, so many who accused me of twisting things and putting them in danger stopped when I started getting to the truth of all this. Why? because I caught them all in their lies. I encourage any one without things to hide, anyone with real info that can help or just curious questions that they think need answered not to stop but to continue till all the truths are out there. Is anyone involved in the game playing involved in the actual murders? I don’t know, but the Scalice/Hackett feud is now a big part of this case and involves a lot of the LISK.com posters and commenters. Whether any of them had any contact with the victims may be unsure, but they are involved in this case and with families of the victims, so please do not stop by say a few words and leave, I mean you can, but what help is that really? Those who are not trying to muck this case up need to stay involved, because so many seem to be trying to muck it up. If this is the MDRice from LISK.com (and as I said before the writing seems the same) a few simple honest answers would help a lot. Like are you JJ fieldnotes, are you just and outsider who was sleuthing the case on LISK.com, do you have a connection with Mari, Jen, Joey Jr. Dorothy, Fieldnotes, Too Close, Ps149, MM7, etc. do you live in Oak Beach area? What I’m getting at here is those without things to hide, those who truly want to help, those who might have info to shed light on this case or the games people are hurting this case with, don’t stop, I only told the game players to stop. Those really wanting to help and feel they can should not stop. My blog is still here while others have gone. were people afraid of what they had said? For those of you reading this that follow my other blog and know I looked into other side of this (particularly the Ohio Rape case and Florida Cummings case) most of the blogs involving those have also come down, Murt’s was gone today, though I’m sure it will be back. My point is so many people in so many cases pointing fingers and starting silly blog wars then poof all gone so no one can show the misleading things posted. Not here, my blogs remain even if I no longer post in them. They are here to see what everyone post and commented. And I urge those out there truly wanting to help not to stop. As I have stated before, it is in my belief that many now involved it the LISK case have made themselves into victims, when the case has victims, real ones that should not be forgotten in all this, and since most of them are no longer crying out even though the accusations were terrible and if true I can’t understand why LE didn’t do anything in ANY of them, this includes many people (most mentioned in my blog), I have to wonder if any of them ever really believed their own stories. (I mean the long list of Dorthy’s has so many people doing terrible things, all that she can prove) Am I rambling again, it’s just there is so much involved in just the LISK.com part of this and then that spills into the case which also has so much involved in it. Bottom line, anyone with real help should do so, go to LE, those just sleuthing should be careful, and those knowingly lying and game playing hopefully will continue to be outed and the real reasons to these games might be fully discovered.
Sep 17, 2013 @ 18:17:05
I have no alter egos, I have always used my own name. I am not this JJ fieldnotes person, nor am I any other person who is involved with any of this, and I am female. I do not live in (or personally know anyone who lives in) Long Island. My motivation in studying this case is only to search for truth, in whatever guise that truth may come in. That’s it.
Sep 18, 2013 @ 08:23:55
Sounds good to me… again, my emails with fieldnotes were very limited, so I don’t know much about them other than what others have said. But always had my doubts that MDRice was Fieldnotes, and as I realized, most commenters on LISK.com were females, I thought you had said you were female before, and it seems from your comments you were not connected to people. Fieldnotes is definitely connected to people. This is the part that makes it hard. I realized that Flukeyou, Fieldnotes and others have been very closely involved in how others formed there opinions on this case. From early on they started writing online in different forms, they have spoke to the families of the victims etc. This is exactly why many have accused the doctor as well. So many people buddied up and got in deep. The question is why? Fluke was not up an honest about his involvement in this when he started with his accusations on the Doctor on LISK.com years ago, and now that he is for sure outed as who he is, nothing, though he spent years commenting about this on LISK.com. Him and MM7 have shared tons of phone calls and info. Jen (according to her) has worked with MM7 at the beginning of all this (though she says it was to expose her) Has been to both JS and Dorothy’s house (again according to her) and has also said she has had others involved in this case and LISK.com as customers in her Cab. And I could go on. Even Too Close who has a wealth of info on all this must know some one, everyone seems to be working together at some point, so my question is why is so much still a question? MM7 swears it can’t be Fluke, PS149 knows CPH is innocent. How does any one KNOW anything for sure. Of course maybe none of these people from Fluke to the Doc and all the other screen names have nothing to do with the actual murders. So then maybe most of you (not at you MD) know that this is all hogwash. But everybody is so convincing. Again I don’t know if I could be any help in solving these crimes, but a lot of info has been put out there in comments on all these blogs (mine being the last standing) some of it may help, maybe none of it will. I hope soon there will be no case for people to inject themselves into (though most will find something else). Thanks for your input MD,I think many reading this appreciates it.
Sep 18, 2013 @ 08:39:30
Just saw your new blog. Sounds very much like the MDRice from LISK.com. I will add it to my blogs lists.
Sep 18, 2013 @ 11:03:40
Do you know what defines “crazy”? It is the focus of one thing above all others. The rumination on one person, place, or thing that excludes everything and everyone else, the obsession with one concept, these things preempt truth. The problem that I have had with so many at LISK is that so many of them were obsessed in one way or another, with one suspect, one concept, one idea of what may or may not have happened. Instead of looking at the case objectively, they have looked at the case through their particular filters of belief. Obviously, none of us can have completely objective views for we are all coloured in our cognitions by our experiences and personal lexicons. However, objective truth cannot be found looking through subjective lenses. I have my own opinions of this case, but I am always the first to say they are only my opinions. Although gauged by inductive and deductive reasoning and careful examination of facts surrounding the case (not hearsay), my opinions are still just opinions and they could all be wrong. I am not obsessed with one way of thinking, this is why my view of the case has grown as my knowledge has increased to add to the data used to form my thoughts on the case.
Having said that, I will also note that I have not immediately rule out anything. Even the most bizarre of explanations can sometimes reflect truth, but as far as the many theories that were bounced around on LISK, I can honestly say that I considered them, weighed their value scientifically, and have not found many of them worthy of second note. There are some things, however, that I find extremely interesting that others seem to disregard as not being important and/or some views that I have that are not consistent with common belief:
1. The fact that all four girls found at Gilgo had someone’s name tattooed on them. This is not necessarily so important due to the identity of the person whose name is tattoed, but the psychology of an individual who would tattoo someone else’s name on their person.
2. Of all four victims, the case of Amber Costello I believe to be the most viable for leads. There are way too many inconsistencies and bizarre aspects of her case; and the witnesses who were quizzed, their stories just do not make sense.
3. The real reason that the cell phones were asked to not be brought. These girls were on-call call girls. Right? This was their livelihood. So what in the world could any perspective John say that would convince them to leave their phone? I don’t believe that it was anything profound and that the mundane logic of it was why it was so convincing. What are some mundane instances that a person could logically argue not to bring a cell phone? 1. Motorcycle riding, 2. Boat Riding, 3. Concert (particularly an outdoor one), 4. Hot air balloon or plane riding.
4. The four girls at Gilgo have been reported as being of a particular “type” hence conforming the killing of the girls to a more traditional serial killing typology. 1. All four were prostitutes. Reply: Sadly, prostitutes are often killed in violent manners. 2. They were drug addicted prostitutes. Reply: Name one prostitute who isn’t? 3. All are reported as being petite and short. Reply: Firstly, that is not true. 3 were 5ft or just under, one was 5’6-5’7 and larger built; Secondly, most prostitutes do tend to be smaller than average, logic would portend that this is relative to them being unable to fight off abuse (which leads them to being prostitutes to start with) and also related to usage of drugs (which is highly correlated to prostitution) and general ill health relative to their lifestyle. 4. All were “trying to turn their life around” Reply: All prostitute’s family members prefer to think that, regardless if it is true or not, but the fact is they had choices and had continued in this lifestyle up unto their deaths. In other words, none of these things are solid, there is no “obvious” link or “obvious” type, there is nothing in any of the above information that separates these four from thousands of other girls or puts them together. So, could their commonality be merely accessibility? I wouldn’t think so, because logically it would be much easier to just pick up a street prostitute than to involve a higher risk victim such as a person recruited from Craigslist, and if the offender were looking for a particular “type” he would have much more control over actually taking a victim he saw first rather than taking a chance that the ad represented in Craigslist was not bonafide. This offender is way too organized to simply leave things out of his control. So, what is the conclusion? These girls were not killed because they were drug addicted, or prostitutes, or had a certain look (they don’t even have the same color hair or eyes or complexion), but because of some unknown FACTOR X that can only be found by following the victimology trail and comparing data.
5. I think that the key to solving this case is through meticulous victimology, and not the superficial items noted above. What did these four girls have in common? Or who? Its all in the details. For example, I don’t think any of these girls had their own vehicles, so how did they get around? The type of services they offered usually are ordered at night or early morning, how did they get transported from one area to another–taxi? drivers? buses? Has anyone checked to compare night shift drivers of public transportation in the NYC metro area on the days of the disappearances to try and determine if any one driver may have had contact with one or more of the girls (not necessarily that the driver would be the offender, but to know if they were taken to the same place)? Did they have doctors in common? Counselors? Free condom clinics? Did they attend biker rallies or concerts regularly? Who is their regular hair dresser/nail technician? Did they run tracks like some prostitutes (e.g. travel to larger cities and conferences and sporting events)? I don’t have access to the information that could answer these questions, but someone does.
6. I think that way too much stress has been placed on the phone calls supposedly made to the sister of Melissa Barthelemy from the offender. I think that there is nothing other than the words from this phone call that point to the offender being sadistic and that when everything is taken into consideration there is only one logical conclusion: A. Either the person who made those phone calls was not the killer, or B. The person who made the phone calls was the killer but he purposefully staged this information to reflect a particular type of personality.
6. I think that the death of Shannan Gilbert, although obviously tragic, has nothing to do with the deaths of the four girls at Gilgo. After careful preponderance of the facts, I am of the opinon that these facts point to the conclusion that the death of Shannan Gilbert was most probably a horrible accident, most probably related heavily on stimulant induced psychosis and/or stimulant overdose. I have seen nothing that points to anything else. Every point given is like a checklist. 1. Shannan was scared and paranoid (Check, common in stimulant usage) 2. Although supposedly in fear of her life, she was disoriented and her behavior was erratic (Check, common in stimulant usage and overdose) 3. She ran from people trying to help her (Check, common in stimulant usage) 4. Her thoughts and speech patterns were fragmented and paranoid (Check, common in stimulant usage) 5. Her clothing was removed and her belongings strewn over a fairly wide area (Check, common in stimulant usage and/or overdose as the body becomes overheated and the person increasingly more disoriented)
Also, other things relative to Shannan Gilbert:
1. The missing hyoid: I really do not understand why this has been made such an issue. She was found outdoors in a marshy area. Not only could slippage from decomposition have dislodged it or scavenge attacks of small animals on soft tissue (the hyoid is connected to soft tissue and is very small) but mere weather and outdoor conditions could account for the loss. Particularly since she was found face down.
2. The fact that the doctor involved in all the hearsay and accusations called Shannan’s mother and then lied about calling is curious, however, it does not automatically make him guilty of anything other than being a liar. Extrapolating this to somehow form the scaffolding that he is responsible for Shannan’s murder just makes no logical sense.
3. The fact that so many people want to point fingers that someone gave Shannan drugs, that someone “forced” her to take something. Shannan was an addict. That is a matter of record. She also was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. That, too, is a matter of record. When you put these two things together the possibility that her death was relative to an overdose/bad reaction to a stimulant drug exacerbated by her bipolar disorder, seems even more probable–regardless of the fact that she may have shared superficial characteristics with the four girls found at Gilgo.
Sep 22, 2013 @ 15:18:52
Just now saw this… I very much agree with #5.
Sep 17, 2013 @ 17:31:40
I’ll preface this by saying this is only my second post here. I have not posted under this name, nor any other names on any LISK related sites, including this one. I’ve completely submerged myself in any and all LISK related sites, forums, etc. since the disappearance of Gilbert.
Rice: I’ve read numerous posts of yours on various LISK related sites. I find you to be one of, if not, THE most intelligent, insightful, and well-versed individual posters I’ve come across. I think a reasonable person can assume that these traits are not limited to the LISK discussions.
That said, I tend to agree w/ much of the deductions you’ve stated above. I believe the Gilgo 4 are a completely isolated construct. I am, however, still uncertain in regards to Gilbert. As opposed to being an SK, I too postulate that the Gilgo 4 may be a result of a “hired gun”, so to speak. However, I’m not sure I feel he is a military-esque, regimented, physical individual. My biggest question lies with the common dumping ground. Outside of an SK potential MO, my experience lends me to believe the actor my be less meticulous. He’s essentially does his work in a huge metropolis and has found a comfortable common dumping ground due to experience and/or at the advice of others. When I say “others”, I’m proposing it’s possible he works for others. Locale obviously plays a role as well.
This is where I also find significant variants of Keyes work. IK spread his work and bodies all across the country, and quite possibly internationally. I don’t necessarily find IK an SK either. But I DO think he considered himself an SK. I feel he was looking for notoriety, but didn’t want to be known for some of the work he supposedly did (children, rape), so he lead others to believe there’s much more bodies than he’s truly responsible for. In fact, I believe he said he patterned/idolized Bundy, and essentially wanted to “one up him” It appears that the confirmed kills, and multiple other possible related crimes (numerous bank robberies & Boca Raton Mall incident he’s possibly suspected to be involved in) were based upon acquiring money.
Sep 18, 2013 @ 08:55:49
I tend not to get into the sleuthing of this, that was not my purpose, so forgive me if my ideas are off, but a hired killer or something of that nature does not mean it is not someone or someones already suspected. As I have stated before hired killer makes me think of organized crime, I am unsure of the REAL neighbors in this community but many have been named ad MOB families, the name Scalice is a mob family name. And why did these girls need to be silenced. If this is a pro killer with personal reasons well then it could be for multiple reasons, but pro killers don’t usually kill for personal reasons. Now if it was to cover up human trafficking or some other illegal activity then some of the other ideas could pop up as well. My problem with all this is most ideas mentioned would mean that some sort of conspiracy is involved, meaning more than one person is helping to cover things. I tend to think that this could not remain unknown for this long, though nothing is impossible. I tend to think this is the work of a serial killer, maybe more than one but not working together. But again, I know anything is possible here.
Sep 18, 2013 @ 10:16:54
Sorry Zero. While I’m aware of the intentions of your blog, I just wanted to address Rice’s post because I’m a “fan” of him/her.
BTW: I really enjoy your blog. I’ve been following it since it’s inception.
Sep 22, 2013 @ 15:07:44
Thanks, and no apology needed.
Oct 19, 2013 @ 12:38:35
JJW, agree with you on Keyes..he was a SK, just wanted to ‘distinguish’ himself via MO…it is my understanding he killed himself to spare his daughter of some of the more ‘disgusting’ aspects of his crimes..children/rape..extremely sick, scary SK…
Oct 23, 2013 @ 13:10:22
Hi Linda,
I honestly doubt if he really cared about his daughters feelings. When people like Keyes kill themselves it is all about control. “You may have caught me, but I am still in control, and you will never know everything because I will take it with me, so, I win.” That is what its about. Selfishness and control. And lots and lots of cowardice. It wasn’t that he wanted to spare his family anything, he just didn’t have the guts to face them, knowing that they would know about the horrific things he had done.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 17:47:32
Hey MD…missed your input…so glad you’re here!!
Oct 28, 2013 @ 20:12:42
MD..i agree with that too, much like the Craigsllist killer, dont you think?
Sep 18, 2013 @ 11:27:28
JJW:
Thank you, for the compliments. I haven’t received many. LOL. Most people generally think I am full of shit and talking out my ass but I really do base my opinions on meticulous research and scientifically reached conclusions. I don’t go into details about the process or most of the actual finite data because I do not feel that it is good to give this information out publically. Regardless if my conclusions are correct as applied to this situation, there is a logic, and anyone in law enforcement or forensic psychology will agree that it is not good to let everyone know about how these conclusions are reached. Now, moving on…
About the body dumping, actually it is more common in organized crime to have a body dumping site than it is for a serial killer. When serial killers do have a particular dumping site, they A. Revisit the sites, hence leaving the victims in easily accessible areas B) tend to not bury or try to obstruct the identity of the victims, and/or B) are more likely to be actually where the person lives or works or somewhere that is personally associated with the offender, and when this occurs they are usually buried but not with measures taken to obstruct identity. The body dumping threw me off at first until I realized something: These bodies were not placed here to revisit, but to be forgotten. I think they were placed here because the killer honestly did not think they would be discovered. They were in the middle of a huge poison ivy patch on a section of beach next to the road and not accessed much and from what I can understand dogs aren’t supposed to even be there. These bodies were completely stripped of anything that could identify them. Real serial killers don’t do that much (even though the tv ones do) because they do not usually kill people they can be associated with. Who does do that? Someone who does not want it known who they are because it could be discovered via association. That is why I think the individual is known to all four, not just haphazard victims.
Keyes did not see himself as a “normal” serial killer. He had no particular type of victim, no particular ritual, no single motive–all of which will be found in true serial killers. He also often had material aspects as motive. This is why I do not place Keyes as a serial killer, but place him in the same category that I place HH Holmes and Richard Kuklinski.
And, as always, I have to say I could be 100% wrong and you could be right. I don’t completely rule out anything, (as quantum physics portends that anything is possible) but merely weigh things in relation to what I feel is their probability as compared to other things. But it is good to bounce ideas off each other without all the meanness and vindictiveness that I have seen other times and with other people.
Sep 18, 2013 @ 11:29:18
I mislabeled A, B, and another B, which should have been A, B, C, but I hope you get the gist anyway. Sorry. =]
Sep 18, 2013 @ 11:40:36
I also mis-numbered and put two sixes in another area of posting, UGH. Sorry. I get in a big way of talking sometimes and don’t pay attention to formatting.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 18:13:07
MD, i have always respected your opinions. having said that, why not just dispose of remains in the ocean where they would never be discovered??
Sep 24, 2013 @ 13:58:13
“MD, i have always respected your opinions. having said that, why not just dispose of remains in the ocean where they would never be discovered??”
Hi Linda,
I think it is because disposal of bodies in water is very unpredictable. This offender is way too controlled for that. My opinion is that this particular place was chosen because of a) very low risk of discoverability (keep in mind there were several anomalies in play that if they all had not happened exactly as they did, these bodies would have not been found) , and b) he could keep an eye on this place and could reasonably surmise if and when the body (bodies) were discovered–if ever. When you dispose of bodies in water, even though you can guess that they will never be discovered or they might wash up at this place at this time by doing tide calculations, you really never know. When you look at this area, at the thick underbrush, the plethora of poison ivy, the close proximity to the highway, I would imagine it would be difficult to impossible to keep a good eye on this place from the ground or from the water, so it is my opinion that he was/is keeping his eye on it from the AIR. That’s one of the main reasons that I think this offender is a licensed pilot or flies a lot. In this manner he could “revisit” the crime scene and not step one foot anywhere near where he might leave some sort of forensic evidence.
Sep 29, 2013 @ 20:46:16
Hi Md,
Thanks for the timely response. When i referred to disposal in ocean, i should have specified that the remains would be weighted down, although as you stated this is somewhat unpredictable.
A pilot..interesting, never thought of that. certainly would be an excellent way to monitor the dump site. As you may remember, i have always suspected a fisherman, landscaper or someone extremely familiar and comfortable with the landscape. JS had a terrible case of poison ivy when one or more of the victims went missing, as per court documents, proving what you say about the terrain to be true.
Although i can’t dismiss this may be the work of a ‘true’ serial killer, I have begun to question the death of shannon, meaning it may have been a tragic, albeit unbelievably coincidental accident.
Either way i must say again i missed you and your input very much, and am so glad your part of the discussion again..Thank you
Sep 30, 2013 @ 18:23:43
Hi Linda,
I think that Shannan Gilbert’s death was a horrible accident. In saying that I am not disrespecting her, I am just saying what the evidence shows, what the facts suggest. I am not sure why so many people have accused me of being disrespectful of Shannan or having something against her, Lord knows I don’t. I think that her death is just as tragic as those of Megan, Maureen, Amber, and Melissa. And as far as the poison ivy goes, whoever put the bodies there might not even have a reaction to it. Some people don’t. My dad could eat the stuff and it wouldn’t bother him.
I did think of something while going over some things, Linda, and I wanted to see if you were familiar with the NY area enough to answer a question for me. Is the area around the Port Authority still a high drug and hooker trafficking place? Or was it around the time of Maureen’s disappearance in 2007? Because if it was, then there is the possibility that she could have been streetwalking–and that could change a lot of things in my view.
I am also wondering if you have seen or heard any stories about all of the girls (including Shannan) being involved in having their pictures taken or doing “modeling” because I was trying to remember and I think that I had seen it mentioned of all of them except for Melissa. Do you recall that?
Gracias,
MD
Oct 13, 2013 @ 18:35:41
Hi MD..still an active area for prostitution im sorry to say…I do not find u disrespectful at all of Shannon, Even the the mothers of the ‘gilgo four’ do not regard Shannon as part of the same murderer, rather the HERO that brought this horror to the public’s attention
Oct 15, 2013 @ 15:21:18
Amen, Linda. If it hadn’t been for Shannan and her family, the other girls most probably would never have been found.
Oct 13, 2013 @ 18:44:54
sorry MD, DO remember some pics that looked very much like Shannon on a LI dungeon site,,these posted 1st by ps149 on LISK site, then on MM7’s..unfortunately both down now..How bout you jen, HAVE ANY SCREENSHOTS from MM7’s website?? KNOW ANYTHING about whats being posted on TOPIX???
Sep 18, 2013 @ 11:55:52
Oh and one more thing, unlike apparently every other person who talks about this case, I cannot comfortably rule out the possibility that the offender who killed the girls at Gilgo is Black or Asian or something other than Caucasian. Although I don’t consider the probability as high as the possibility of him being Caucasian, I still cannot rule these possibilities out at this point.
Sep 19, 2013 @ 12:43:04
Again, my info on the case came first from news programs, then when I looked up things on the internet to see what was happening with the case and I came across the world of lisk.com and online sleuthing, the thing that struck me odd first was the comments that were so sure of the things they wrote like the case was closed already to them. I don’t know where some of the people who posted on LISK.com got their info, some of them I know all to well where they got their info. But the more I read anywhere only made me feel that most things could not be ruled out. And again I can’t help but point out the parallels between the case itself and the hoopla in the sleuth and blog part of this. Has LE really cleared all of the suspects that they say, why are so many so SURE of things that to me seem to still be possible. Maybe there are things I don’t know, same goes for MM7 and JS in their beliefs or Too Close and PS149… is CPH a part of any of this… isn’t anything possible at this point till answers are found? Thanks MDRice, your comment reminded me exactly why I started reading and blogging about LISK.com and it’s commenters in the first place.
Sep 19, 2013 @ 18:02:23
Zero dinh:
You are absolutely right. Until this case is solved, nothing is out of the question. Even though I have my opinions and conclusions, I cannot say that any view is absolutely wrong. None of us can. But…I do think there is a difference is in admitting no one really knows at this point as compared to running a smear campaign on par with a witch hunt because one is “sure” they know who the guilty parties are, saying those persons names in public forums, slinging mud at people (and thereby their families) without one iota of evidence. That is much different.
We also have to remember that just because someone has not been arrested does not mean they aren’t guilty, it takes time to gather enough evidence to convince a DA to file charges. The head officer of the Green River investigations, who later became Chief of Police, knew who the killer was for a very long time before they had enough solid evidence to arrest Gary Ridgway.
By the way, Ridgway is now talking. He is now claiming to want to help victims’ families to find closure and is now claiming that his victim count is upwards of 80 and wants to work with police to try and show them where more bodies are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/green-river-killer_n_3948707.html
Sep 20, 2013 @ 10:08:00
Again, well said, I agree with it 100%. At the beginning I did not know how long some of the smear campaigns had gone on or how many had gotten together behind the scenes to do so, but since then I have named the names of those who have now admitted to it (though they still all claim they are right) But yes the tactics by MM7, Jen, Dorothy, Scalice Jr. to smear CPH (and each other) was sad. The way it sucked in others to be called pedophiles and crime ring associates got way out of control and if any of them were truly trying to help when they started, I can assure you just from the things I know in the end all are hiding things to make them look like heros and victims, when all they have done is falsly accuse many people of things they don’t know about, or worse, know they are lies but don’t care. And there are others as well, and looking into other open cases (like the Cummings case in Florida) I have learned this type of thing is all over the place.
I also agree with you about the Green River case and that is exactly the point I was making, WE do not truly know what LE thinks or knows about this case. In cases like Green River and Zodiac, (in fact most cases like this) just because arrest can’t be made does not mean a suspect is not guilty. From JB to JS and all in between (even that guy who killed himself, the other JB who every one wants to point at) until the case (or cases) are solved any one “cleared” could still be involved. LE is not gonna put everything out there for everyone to see.
Again nice to finally chat with you MD, unlike some you know the difference between what we may think and what we may know. This case will be solved one day, I truly believe that. And I also believe, before that, most of these LISK.com game players will be totally outed for the way they have manipulated parts of this case for their personal reasons. That part already happened somewhat, though I know they are still out there, maybe just afraid of my blog a little. LOL
Sep 20, 2013 @ 10:38:06
Zero dinh:
Yep, I certainly agree that you reap what you sow and, sooner or later, there are prices to pay. In the case of the LISK that includes the killer(s) and all of those people who knowingly defaced, defamed, and purposefully targeted other people for no reason other than they could.
On the Cummings case, regardless of what has been said or claimed, I am of the opinion that the stepmother/girlfriend whatever she was either is involved or knows what happened to Haleigh. Her story just makes no sense. It does not appear to me that the father was involved, but he worked with some shady people, so who knows? That is what gets me about idiots who are drug dealers and have kids. Do they not realize that the scum that they run with every day are often far worse than just druggies (e.g. high correlation between drug usage and all types of criminal behavior) and that every single day their children are alive in that environment they are at risk?
What do you think about the “quietness” around the LISK case? Personally, I love it, because–contrary to popular belief–silence does not mean everything is non-moving, but can actually mean the exact opposite and that things are coming together rather well.
Also, what do you think about the Atlantic City case and the announcement that they were looking at new suspects? Did you see that article? If not, here it is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371519/Police-investigating-person-connection-murder-prostitutes-Atlantic-City-2006.html
Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:32:34
The thing about the Cummings case that now baffles me (for I too believe as you, that the girlfriend knows something) is all the people now involved, bounty hunters bloggers etc. And again while the claim that the other side of the family may have taken her and she is alive living with relatives may seem crazy and that LE would have figured that out if it were true, again until truth is known, anything is possible. Take the Ohio case where the 3 women were kidnapped and held for years having children with their captors. No one would have believed that was the outcome of that case but it happened. I guess I’m just getting used to the idea that so many people on the internet need to get involved in games they know are lies. And I’m not saying who is doing this, because again these cases are open and I am not a sleuther or LE just someone good at seeing BS and calling it out. But it is obvious that ALL these people don’t really think they are helping, some of them know they are purposely hurting these cases.
As for the Atlanta case, I really only know what people commenting on LISK stuff have said. I will read you link. From what I have heard there seems to be a good reason to think these murders are connected. Again though I don’t know much about the case. Back when all the Facebook accounts for the murdered victims popped up connecting the girls chilled my bones. and although I always stand for victims in any case and hope all cases like these are solved and families have closure, it is the weird things like the making of these Facebook accounts of murdered victims that really drew me into LISK and LISK.com. Again, why do people feel the need to do these things? Why on Twitter do people feel the need to spread racism and hatred? Everyone pretending to be bullied… the internet has become one big asylum and I don’t get it. Because these cases are being hurt, people are being hurt, and most if not all of it has nothing to do with the actual serial killers or others responsible in such crime, just internet junkies playing crazy games.
The whole world becomes more in more like reality T.V. every day, is any thing real or is everyone playing a part. In fact it all seems to be more like Wrestling… we all know it’s fake. Sorry to jump off topic… but it all seems connected to me, the lack of caring about others and the games we all play. The truths seems so far from everyone… “lies are simple and simple is bliss”.
Gotta get, but I am really enjoying your input MD, hope to hear from more of the non gamers like you.
Sep 20, 2013 @ 14:07:45
Zero dinh:
You know, I have often wondered about some of the very same things you are asking about here. There were times in some conversations I saw at LISK that it appeared to me that some people were purposefully bringing information about that could compromise the investigation. Why would someone do that? Because they are one of the guilty party? Or a loved one of the guilty party? Or maybe they just like causing chaos? I don’t even pretend to know, that’s a whole dissertation subject right there. LOL.
What I do know is that the internet is full of posers who claim “secret knowledge” and “insider information” on everything from politics to celebrity gossip and about 75% of the conversations I saw on LISK claimed such information related to this case.
The creation of the facebook profiles of the victims and the attempts to connect the deaths of the prostitutes found at Egg Harbor Township (Atlantic City) with those at LI, baffles me. Keep in mind that those who were attempting to connect them chose photographs that they used to try to identify similarities. The photographs were not recent, and mostly not representative. For example, they show Kim Raffo and Molly Dilts with long hair when there are references in several articles to both of them having their hair cut short just before their disappearances. They stress similarities in these girls that just aren’t there, There ages were not even close and ranged from 19-42. Physically they could not have looked more different: Dilts was short and plump and pale with dark hair, Raffo was 5’6 and around 140 with blondish hair and light eyes, Tracy Roberts was 5’8 and 120 pounds with blondish hair and light eyes, Breidor was of Native American heritage with dark skin, hair, and eyes, 5’7 and 140-150 pounds. But, they did have similarities: All had children that they did not have custody of. All were in the darkest of times and fallen on desperation, living in flop houses and doing tricks for as little as 15 dollars or just straight dope (crack or heroin). Three of these girls had ties to Philadelphia. Keep in mind that these girls were at the bottom of the barrel. All of them but Breidor were tricking on Ocean Avenue, which at the time was just a crack war zone. Roberts had been a dancer till her addiction got the best of her, Raffo was a housewife with two kids, Breidor came from money but had hit rock bottom right before she disappeared, Dilts was just 19 and thought to have just started in prostitution (unlike the other three she had no prostitution arrests). So what was the main thing these women had in common? Desperation. They were street walker prostitutes desperate enough to accompany someone to a hotel on the notorious Black Horse Pike (which only the most desperate hookers would agree to). The lives these girls led made the girls at Gilgo’s lives seem like princesses. Additionally, for some reason I do not know why, many seem to forget that in the AC murders they had DNA. From my understanding, this is one of the main reasons that officials were able to finally decide the murders were unrelated.
From a DNA profile the officials know the AC offender’s race. I am betting he is black or biracial although that information has not been released. I am curious about the multiple suspects referred to in the recent article about the AC murders. Does this mean that they found multiple DNA samples at the time of the murders? Or one person who moved around in those mentioned areas?
If these are related to the LI killings (I still dont think so but I hope I am wrong) then this could mean it is even closer to being solved than we could even guess.
Sep 20, 2013 @ 17:02:03
see, you know lots more than me. lol. If LE feels things in these cases are unrelated and therefore done by separate perps, including Shannan and Natasha, then I’m sure they have good reasons to think so. I sure won’t second guess LE, I am in no position to do so. I never even second guess the sleuthing I have read on the case. I only know what I read and see on news programs. But that don’t mean I cant see some things seem too coincidental or that some things seem to be misleading or intentional smears or cover ups… and when it grew into what went on LISK.com, websleuth (which I could never see, but many have sent me posts from) MM7’s blog, and other social medias and all the rest, it only got harder to understand what was going on. I came in only as an outsider. To this day I do not judge on what went on just that it got out of control, it seems that some may have wanted it that way, but I’m not here to say why people did what they did. Only we know fully why we do what we do. And as you can see from MM7’s comment bellow, some think I have done wrong in my own posts and comments, but mine are all still here. And if all the sleuthing done was like yours MD, and a few others, I never would have felt the need to write about it, I would have just soaked in the different knowledge from others, but any reader of these fore mentioned sites knows what went on… and I know they went deeper then what people wrote in their comments. Sorry this got off topic as usual. Maybe I am narcissistic.
Sep 20, 2013 @ 11:46:29
I’m given far too much credit for what’s been said in this case. I was a bored housewife in Florida with 2 kids in school and one napping during the day when my boredom drew me to this case, my curiosity kept me in it longer than intended, and my intensity drew enemies my way.
I formed my opinion alone, the “others” I communicated with were after I formed my own opinion to get a bigger picture (detectives interview many witnesses, do they not?). I was convinced of one particular person and it so happened that one other particular person held the same strong belief. My passion of my convictions obviously do not portray well in an online setting and with time and distance from blogging, I see how it can appear aggressive. It was not intended that way. I still hold firm in my belief, and everyone here can disagree and it’s of no consequence to me. I enjoy debating and since I believe passionately on this case, it comes across as argumentative. Again, it was not intended.
I accept responsibility for what I’ve said, and the story about my conversation with MD was intended to stir the pot to gather more info. It obviously worked. I never said he was a child molester, although I did elude to the possibility. I don’t know the man, just like none of you know me.
One person online I believe to be a “person of interest” in this case. The rest are who they are and for their own reasons are also drawn to this case. Tooclose has his connection through his wife. JS Jr has his being a neighbor. D has her ex. JG and the taxi. So be it.
It’s rather narcissistic of you zero to believe it was because of you that I shut things down. Just like we have superstitions, you’ve convinced yourself that the coincidental timing is actually your doing. I was taking an online course and my children were home for summer break. I didn’t have time to continue and I deleted all so it wouldn’t fan the flame.
I’ve moved on from this case to better myself and children and don’t want or need the stress of this case at this point in my life. I’ve done all I can. Now it’s up to the police.
Sep 20, 2013 @ 16:33:11
Hello again, MM7, just to clarify, it is your Facebook I say came down, and this is because of someone I contacted who told me he thought you had removed everything from social media, then he saw it and contacted you and you took it down. Then you both thanked me and so forth and so on, I do not want to air your personal stuff but we both know I am being honest here. As for all the other stuff, I do feel because of my blog all of you could not continue games as usual. is that narcissistic ? Maybe, but you and Jen both think every thing I write is solely about you, when some is about you, some is about her, and some is about the rest of the Scooby Gang. You can all poke at me and call me names, but I only put out there what everyone has posted or written me in emails. In fact those of you who have shared emails with me know I have kept quite a bit to myself. I’m not here to stir things up or twist things, that was started long ago and still continues without my blog. Since you yourself have sent me lots of emails between you and others, and others have also shared emails between others, and I’m sure my own emails have joined that circle of sharing, you should understand how much keeps continuing to twist and shape from the things said and done by those mentioned in my blog. But I am glad you have stayed away from this, this isn’t yours right? mehttp://officialshannangilbert.wordpress.com/
Some think it is, but I’m hoping you have truly stopped talking with JS and any of the others who claim to have info on this… we both know how the scene names comments could lead to many places they wanted you to go. Please don’t think you did anything to help, staying away is how you can help. I am not trying to be mean here, I think you were misled, though your blog is gone anyone can look at the many comments on mine and see how CCC etc. is pointed too and then just as I did Google will take you where they want you to go. You can claim all you ideas were your own. But I have many comments from LISK.com saved and Flukeyou said it all and much more long before you got involved and we both know you 2 talked on the phone a lot. I have heard some of those calls by the way. Again, not trying to be harsh here, But I truly feel you should not be involved in this case. The others like Dorothy, Jen, and JS, and anyone else who claim to have information on all of this can and are from what I have read be in contact with LE. I know what I know, and it’s enough for me to see all the games and lies played here. I wish you well, and don’t worry not everything I say is about you, I feel the game started long before you got involved.
Sep 20, 2013 @ 17:37:08
I’m going to quote myself here,
“What you’re doing here, zero, is what I did when I got booted from WS. I read all (at the time) 800+ comments on the Gronk email and it was Cheryl#1, ps149, fluke, MD Rice, tooclosetohome and linda (and an occasional visitor) BEFORE I ever commented. I took the screen shots of linda’s comments BEFORE I commented because my BS meter was skyrocketing. It pissed me off. I called out the BS. At first, I was on a rampage thinking EVERYONE (except for tooclose and fluke) was a sock puppet of Hackett’s. That’s where I was wrong. I even thought Cheryl#1 was a sock puppet of Hackett’s because she was buddying up to linda, who I thought was a sock puppet of Hackett’s.
On your end, I guess you’re still trying to figure out who is who, and I get that. I did the same. My concern when I started my blog was who was stalking me on WS and who followed me over to lisk.com to stalk me and give out my personal info…”
I joined WS mid August 2012, and was booted the first week of December 2012 for saying my belief that ps149 was CPH. Until that point, I didn’t read on LISK.com because it was too easy to don an assumed personality.
The way I see your blog now regarding myself is like you came into a conversation midway and just inserted your “knowledge” of BS. No shit there was BS on LISK.com. I had gotten involved deeply before saying a word on LISK.com. I passed the info to the appropriate people when I had more than a gut feeling. I know the difference between evidence and speculation and the majority of what I have written is based on speculation and inferences, not fact or personal knowledge or evidence. My blog was not about catching a killer, in all actuality it was about catching a stalker using the subject that I had been giving opinions on as a sounding board. It had to have content. So sure, my game was to gather as much info on the stalker that I could, and the content definitely riled people up. I came to my defense to prove I was being stalked, and the shit hit the fan. Oops!
Yes, that person you referenced had made a very strong case for me to shut everything down for my own good, as did other close friends and family who know me well. I took his sound advice. I have kept away from all this crap for months. I continue to be referenced as though I hold the key to this case. I can assure you, I don’t, and it will not be me solving this case, nor did I ever believe I would solve this case. I don’t have any other blogs and I don’t speak to anyone about the case anymore.
I still hold a strong belief, but it is met with much opposition and I’ve said all I can. I no longer wish to debate my opinions or the different opinions any longer. I’m content with agreeing to disagree.
With the addition of MDRice, I wish you luck. I shut the door on my blog. A wise friend of mine described how backdraft works in a house fire, and gave a wonderful illustration of how leaving my blog up could invite the smallest amount of oxygen causing an explosive inferno. That was catalyst I needed. You continue to oxygenate the fiery hell that is this case. It sucked me in for far too long and you are fooling yourself if you think JUST sleuthing the commentators will save you from the dark grasp of the LISK case.
Sep 21, 2013 @ 10:55:21
This makes me giggle a little, you all want to accuse me of spinning things… I have your emails, and many others emails, I have not spun a thing, in fact I have been very fair to all involved here. I did not continue the blog though we both know there was much more I could have wrote about. I do continue to answer comments when they come up, very few do. In fact I’m gonna stop here, I don’t want to be the one to get you going again. But I do find it funny that you feel I attack you… Forever the victim.
Sep 20, 2013 @ 17:17:29
Just reread this, skimmed through it the first time, and since you felt the need to comment here, we both know I can show lies in this comment alone. And everyone who was involved in smearing the teacher turned pizza boy can deal with their own conscious, I don’t know the guy, just that he gave a pretty good reason to why he no longer teaches, I have know idea, I don’t know why, strike that I think I know why you all hinted at the molestation stuff, and I think it was personal, maybe not for you, which makes your involvement in it all the worse. But again, you know you played a part in that as did others, but that’s for him to deal with, like I said I don’t know anything about the guy. But most who read this knows what was written. Again, I do not want to pick on you, but don’t come on here with half lies to make me look bad. I have been fair with you, Jen, and Dorothy, I have given all of you the benefit of the doubt that you did what you did to try to help.
One last thing since you mentioned Too Close, knowing who he is, since this was somewhat hinted at on that other blog page I just asked was yours. That with the name correction in the comments leads me to believe that the blog does belong to you. Which would lead me to so many more questions, but I truly don’t think you should be commenting here, and definitely not making a blog where there is a poll on who the killer is. Send me an email if you don’t want to discuss all of this out here, I understand.
Sep 20, 2013 @ 18:02:26
I wrote an open ended question about MD’s teacher to pizza guy. It was the reader to draw the conclusion that was eluded to. It wasn’t personal. I have no idea who any of these people are, including people I’ve spoken to on the phone… and they don’t know me, either.
You may not sleuth the case, but you love to sleuth me. You say not everything on this blog is about me, but I read the link and it tells another story. Here we are months after I’ve been silent and you STILL bring me up in comments that weren’t even about me. You were privately asking people who don’t know me to give info on me. You take the word of people who have never met me to prove that there’s BS being written online. That’s obvious to everyone and was never a secret.
Now you’re going to spin some story that I have another blog because I know who tooclose is? I’ve told other people who he is. Just like I’ve told other people lots of what I’ve not written, but told to people I thought were trying to help (like JG). Think whatever you want.
I can’t stop other people from doing whatever they do online, in person, in emails, on the phone, and I’m tired of being lumped into crap I didn’t say/do.
I’m writing it here so what I say isn’t taken out of context.
Sep 21, 2013 @ 11:09:30
stop, please, stop, you are cracking me up. I just recently looked back at that blog to see Too Close and Linda had been commenting back n forth with the blog creator and it is said quite clearly that it looks like your work. I’m not spinning anything just pointing out what I read. All you have to say is it’s not you and that’s fine. but who ever did make it did it for obvious reasons and to me at least looks like the blog creator is afraid to keep up with the blog knowing it is just asking for trouble. Funny thing was when I saw the blog a few months ago I hinted I thought Jen was behind it, and of course Jen didn’t like that, now I point out that some think you are behind it and you don’t like it. If anything, I’ve proven that no one likes to be sleuthed. But I’m only being honest when I say that I think this new blog was made to start trouble in places the blog author knows is wrong.
Does any one else see the layers of parallels being created here?
Sep 21, 2013 @ 11:46:44
Of course a blog was made to look like it was me who wrote it. Might as well since you have a blog about me and what you believe I’ve done and what I’m about. What’s another blog written to “sound” like me? I’m tired of being referenced in this case. I only came back here to ask you kindly to leave me out of this. Stop fanning the flame in my name. I’m not involved in this case any longer and haven’t been for quite some time.
I’m not a victim. I’ve learned a lot because of this case and will use lessons in other aspects of my life in a positive way.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 09:32:25
You know many asked the same of you, read my reply to your nice friend where I talk about how many asked you to remove things from your blog. And please stop acting like you learned your lesson and that is why you stopped, we both know better and I will be forced to explain this further if you keep insisting this. Don’t know think because you were somewhat forced to stop writing about this, and yes this is partly due to my blog giving a place for things to be posted by some who thought you were twisting their comments on you page, you had no power over what was said on mine. But this is only part of it. The other part is even more important to all of this because it shows exactly why your blog and all your Google sleuthing was dangerous and why you HAD to remove it. So use what you learned (glad to see you no longer think you were a victim here, because you weren’t, well except from your own doing) and move on, but I’m here for truth not what makes Cristen look good. Most people here like to twist it so they look good, but you take the cake in that department. Oh and by the way, you still haven’t just said that that new blog isn’t yours, but I doubt who ever created it will be posting there anymore, they know I’m keeping an eye on it, I bet it will be taken down soon enough, lol, my narcissism even makes me laugh some time.
Sep 21, 2013 @ 20:49:12
I don’t even know who is who, or what is what, or even the hows. LOL. I think unless someone asks me a direct question I’m just going to write in my own blog and just read what goes on here.
For what its worth, zero, I do appreciate what you are trying to do. I think that you are one of the few from LISK who actually wants the truth, not the truth as they see it.
Sep 21, 2013 @ 10:59:58
alluding to who she thinks i am is either a – scare tactic or b – bait. i will be falling for neither. interesting how you say these women (and in that i am including joey s-haha) will face ther own concious.what they did was deliberately evil and no it is not going to end and yes, that is mm7’s blog.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 21:04:32
hello MD…i’ve missed your input and am so glad your back…may i have your website address??
Sep 24, 2013 @ 11:06:37
Linda, I totally agree about MDRices’ input, and I put a link to their blog on my blog list.
Sep 24, 2013 @ 11:52:51
Hi linda,
I think you can just click on my name on the blogroll list over on the right side of this page? When I do that it takes me right to it. =]
Sep 26, 2013 @ 05:52:33
MD, heres something that’ll make u chuckle…cristen had convinced her cohort Dorthy that you and I were partners in these disgusting murders…the post is available if u ever need a laugh..
Please STAY with us 🙂
Sep 30, 2013 @ 11:44:13
MD, visited your blog..love, love!! Ressler, Douglas and Deitz have been secret heros/mentors of mine for many years (until now only homicide detectives thought this was normal..lol). Douglas changed my mind about the unsolved case of Jon Bonet Ramsey, a case i would love to see discussed on your blog!!
Sep 30, 2013 @ 11:46:37
Oh and BTW, no proof of course, but i bet one of these experts have been involved in solving LISK
Oct 11, 2013 @ 18:24:46
THE ONLY THING CKB’s HAS CONTROL OF ULTIMATELY, IS CUSTODY OF HER CHILDREN…SHE KNOWS THIS
Sep 21, 2013 @ 18:55:38
What a sorry piece of crap this blog is. Here goes.
I was one of the last comments on the MM7 email on LISK.COM
I am CKB’s best friend. I have read this piece of crap blog for months to keep in the know about who it is out there in cyber space that has been harassing her relentlessly. That is what friends do. You know… in real life. Where we all live… I think.
This entire blog was a piggy back on MM7’s blog. You are a hack Zero. Your ego is so god damn monumental. The entire basis of your blog was to get to the bottom of what was going on over at MM7’s blog. Congratufuckinglations you bored ass loser, you found out what I and many lurkers knew all along. There are a lot of trolls out there. You are one of them. Are you doing anything so noble or different than any of these others that you chastise? Don’t you have like SEVEN kids? Didn’t you criticize CKB for doing the same thing that YOU are now doing? It was wrong for people to do this to CPH but it is perfectly okay for you to do it to everyone else? You are a hypocrite of the highest caliber.
Do you know what this blog is? It is a gossip rag. To anyone other than the six people chatting here, it is a bunch of incoherent mindless gossiping. Shut the fuck up already! You can dress it up and be as long winded as you want to be, but if it takes all of THIS to explain what the hell this blog is about then maybe you need to take a look at your real intentions. You wanted to have a place in this, to feel needed and to feel important. You are not. CKB is not. NONE of you are. I sure as hell am not. But I bet you will start slouthing me now lol. Did you ever think about doing something productive with your time? You are a decent writer. That I will give you.
Your little threats are really pathetic. When you remind CKB that you have other conversations that you could print, you do realize that you come off as a back stabbing little gossip.
CKB has not had anything to say about this case for quite some time now. It was not YOU that inspired her to take down her facebook page. It was not even the DOC. It was family and friends. It was me constantly reminding her that this would never end because she was dealing with anxiety yet needed another outlet. A healthier one where people do not make it their sole mission to name drop the shit out of her OUT OF BOREDOM. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN CKB WHOM IS NO DIFFERENT THAN JEN WHOM IS NO DIFFERENT THAN JS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH…. This is high school bullshit dressed up as arm chair detective work.
The only reason why I am bothering to comment is because I saw you for what you were on day 1 yet I never imagined that you would continue this bazaar fascination with CKB for months after it has died down. Maybe I would not be so incredibly rude to you right now if it were not so painfully obvious to everyone BUT you that this is over. You were able to bait CKB into dialog this time but if you continue to try to do so it really shows what you are made of.
PS. Did it ever occur to you that it is none of your damn business whom is running that other site? Why are you all obsessing over this if you are not invested in some way? Or all you all suffering from anxiety and depression like CKB was? Get a life.
Sep 21, 2013 @ 21:30:28
So much to say here, but no time at the moment… but once again… MM7 is no ones obsession, Jen thinks I’m always talking about her, Dorothy thinks I am only talking about her, and MM7 thinks I am only talking to her… relax, and to call me names don’t bother me, I know what I have read and if judging is to be done here I’ll stand at the end of the long line of bad things posted. oh, and I have every right to wonder who made that blog, “none of my business” lol. All so humorous. I’m not stirring anything up, haven’t wrote a blog in a long time. But push me into a corner and I’ll have to come back out. There how does that make me sound.
Sep 21, 2013 @ 22:21:14
“MM7 is no ones obsession, Jen thinks I’m always talking about her, Dorothy thinks I am only talking about her, and MM7 thinks I am only talking to her…”
Ha. I must say I laughed at this because it reminded me of the rampant pathological narcissism present at LISK–and apparently present with lots of those who have posted here as well. Narcissists think they are the center of everyone’s universe. Its just funny, and really quite sad.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 20:04:39
For those of us that got to know you behind the scenes, you are an EXCELLENT parent who should be applauded for what you’ve done for your family. as far as being busy, i personally know what pressure you must be under this month considering the job you do. Please continue when possible to keep up this informative blog…and thank you again for exposing the EVIL that was being perpetrated for so long. You have brought dignity and HONESTY back to the forefront
Sep 30, 2013 @ 14:17:33
Thank you. I appreciate the kind words from a few of you in here. And in your case Linda, I have not always been so kind, lol. Which I think my mistake shows how dangerous sleuthing can be once it starts in on the paranoid finger pointing at fellow commenters. What we perceive via the internet is not always how things are. And when some are deliberate while others are delusional (not gonna point out who might be which) it makes it even harder to assume you “know” who is who. And even further with the likes of Flukeyou and others who actually are close to some aspects of this case at least… well it just becomes a big clusterfuck, excuse my language. But I am glad that a few of us stuck it out and got to know who was who they said they were and not what others were trying to spin. From crime rings to CPH’s massage therapist many ideas were thrown out there to connect all the “sock puppets”. And while I think there was some sock puppetry going on, most of it was smoke and mirrors and slight of hand to cloud the truth, why? a game? a cover up? a smear campaign? Since I wasn’t part of it I don’t really know, but it’s plain to see now that a lot of people got things said about them by commenters that knew they were “stirring the pot” (not my words, but fits well enough) and things were either twisted or totally made up. And although I blogged about what I saw and what I was told, it is those of you, Linda, Too Close, Jen and others who spoke up as well that brought this game out. As I’ve said before, this case has enough victims, it doesn’t need made up ones. I think in the long run it is easy to see which of us are just trying to understand things about this case and not trying to confuse it or use it.
Oct 01, 2013 @ 10:36:28
Amen, Zero.
Oct 03, 2013 @ 08:41:01
the vendetta had to be exposed. i could not sit back and watch lies and manipulation destroy a man’s life. i don’t even know the dr..but i knew about joe jr.. and knew what he was up to. the question that stll remains iswhy? why go to such lengths? surely not just a vendetta…i think it is much more than that.
Oct 13, 2013 @ 11:33:41
I would have to agree with you too close
Sep 21, 2013 @ 21:35:53
and as for the get a life and do something productive stuff… if you only new how busy and productive my life was you’d laugh at your own statement.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 19:43:06
I have no problem believing this is one of Borders best friends…lol!!! matter of fact is probably one of her ‘sockpuppets’..lol IGNORE
Sep 21, 2013 @ 22:13:39
zero, I hope you are just letting this go in one ear and out the other. I haven’t seen that you have done anything wrong and, if anything, have defended those very people who have badmouthed you. I enjoy conversing with you and if my beginning to post here is what stirred this shit up I do profusely apologize.
Sep 22, 2013 @ 13:33:50
it is all fine, but I do thank you for that comment, I defended them quite a bit, if you go back to the beginning of this blog I came to MM7’s defense quite a bit when others got personal. Even now that I understand better where some of the outrage was coming from I still say some of the personal attacks were wrong and uncalled for. And your comments here were fine (I have been also reading your blog, quite informative and I like reading it, and not gossipy like the rest of us) My replies mentioned MM7 and if that happens she feels she must come and defend herself, none of them feel they did anything wrong, I tend to defer with that opinion but I should probably just shush, because I think most are glad that the case has lost Nancy Drew (I should remove that before I post, but amos 7 started it…lol) In all seriousness though I don’t want to be blamed for starting back up all the hoopla, though I think a lot of it is still going on in phone calls, emails etc. I also feel that is where it was the most damaging. (sorry if I sound like a broken record some time) I also don’t want people to see me as a bully towards Jen, Cristin, or Dorothy. It is unfortunate that those who started this let these 3 take most of the blame and I have nothing personal against any of them, like I started out, I have defended each of them at different times. But to skip the record some more, I am not much help at the case, I can only learn from others who have studied it much longer than me and has more time to put into it. I only came across LISK.com last Feb. I do have a great ability at seeing through BS and getting to the truth of things. I think of myself as a very honest person and those around me might say to a fault. So my involvement in blogging and commenting though I may see helpful, I can see why others would say I am just joining in on it, in a way I was.
Again thanks for the kind comments, I will continue to read your blog. MHO, it is good for people to continue to show interests in cases like these, though I wish they all could be less vindictive at each other and with out personal motives, but keeping the cases discussed and open is a good thing.
Sep 22, 2013 @ 14:03:14
None of us are perfect, Zero, but I do think you are doing a good thing. Maybe these other people will realize it, hopefully more sooner than later. Maybe you can give me some pointers on blogging? This is the first one I have done and Im honestly mostly lost on the basics. It took me forever to figure out how to just post pictures and as you can see, I still didn’t do it right because I wanted the pictures of Amber to be by the post that I talked about her and they ended up somewhere else entirely! I am a true neophyte at this. Should I be starting new pages for new topics? Or what?
Sep 22, 2013 @ 14:19:14
Yea pics did not always work the way I wanted also. Just make sure to look at you post in visual and not text. You can then see the pic and be able to type around it or beneath it etc.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 09:19:50
Ok, I had so much I wanted to say here, but luckily my busy weekend (if you only knew how busy my life was and how hard it is for me to spare time to get on the internet) gave me time to laugh about your comment and let it go. But I do need to say something about your opening statement calling my blog a sorry piece of crap.
I stand by every word I write, and when I feel I or someone else had gone to far it was removed. I remember times on you good friends blog where people asked her to remove things (this happened a lot but the main one was about a missing girl who MM7 hinted at the Doc being involved, the girl was said to be safe and none of it had to do with the Doc or the case) now in these instances I can’t not tell you who was responsible for what but people asked MM7 to remove posts they felt had nothing to do with what she was writing about, and she basically laughed them off. Now on the other hand I have removed just about anything asked by me. I have keeped my mind open and not jumped on any bandwagon created on any side of LISK.com. But please get this straight, I was not looking into the case as much as I was looking into all the commenters on that site once my blog started, so of course it seems gossipy but mindless and incoherent? That goes against your statement that I’m a good writer and kinda hurts my feelings. But if it does seem incoherent at times it is due to the subject matter I was writing about. Let’s not forget when I first started blogging I was reading about a housewife and mother who was possibly being stalked and harassed by a suspect from a case that was thought to be done by a serial killer. Then EVERYONE I spoke to said they thought they were being stalked by this house wife (yes this time I am talking about you MM7) and then I read all of Joey’s old Fluke comments and saw so much more was going on here. Both sides disagreed with me, but when JJJ came into the picture putting a lot more of what went on into light it was plain to see that not only was I right about the behind the scenes conversations but that even more than I thought were involved in it.
The problem is most of you know I have not done anything here but point out what I thought was going on, people couldn’t wait to jump out of the wood works and tell me different things, but EVERY single one of them told me MM7 was twisting things up and some told me she was dangerous. But again through it all I kept an open mind. So yell at me, call my blog crap, call me names as well. I’m not going any where. My blog will remain up and I will continue to stay involved in this case (meaning reading about it and helping when and if I can) While others can lie about what they have said or done since all the blogs are gone now (MM7: another guy you hinted at being a pedophile Mr. Murt, has also removed his blog, so many who were “fighting the good fight” took down their words and they can now pretend they never said them) Mine will remain, and no one will have to guess or try to remember what I wrote, I stand by this blog. And Miss Amos 7 thanks for stopping by, but as others have learned, if you come on here spreading half truths, bitching at me for what others have done, calling me names, and trying to twist what I have said or what I am about, then you will only look foolish. Thanks for the laughs though. But I gotta get going now, doing an interview for the local news again. Fourth one this month, and it has nothing to do with LISK, again if you only knew how hard it was to get time in to write here. But I will find the time if I need to. Remember I will be watching this case until it is solved, and will continue to hope and pray it is solved soon. So either realize that your friend is a small part of this now, (we all know her accusations were never founded by any type of proof or things would have been done about them, don’t forget many of us have been in touch with LE) and just let it go or come here and call me names and trash my blog and get laughed at by me every time. I am no game player, be thankful for that.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 13:09:27
MandamusSeven
your friend deiberately set out to destroy an innocent man never thinking about who it would affect, and when shown the truth, she just got on it even harder. zero’s blog is a ‘sorry piece of crap’?people are relentlesly harrassing mm7? are you kidding? what about all the lies made up about stalking and such? and thefull page bio on dr.hackett on her ‘blog’? is that not harrassing? you reap what you sow……
now gp crawl back uder your rock with your little friend…you both have the intelligence of a slug.
Sep 23, 2013 @ 19:40:40
It was mari gilbert who 1st asked the question…
Sep 23, 2013 @ 19:52:04
that is in regards to the new Shannon blog….and YES your friend has done and said things that are PURE EVIL
Oct 07, 2013 @ 00:00:47
BTW ahole seven..your last post on LISK accused me of being the ‘long island woman’ who threatened cristen(some crap about cadence of speech)..now that she has admitted otherwise YOU stand accused of being A PIECE OF CRAP..and IGNORANT..lol
Oct 15, 2013 @ 10:25:52
Yes, I remember in the final days of LISK.com (when I first came to read there) there was the big hoopla about phone calls and how you over heard them talking after they thought they had hung up. Fluke was exposed and trying to expose all his neighbors. MM7 posted a fake interview with fieldnotes. And this madam7 SN started popping off with more dribble. At first I had thought it was MM7 with a new scene name, but I guess she has cleared that up now. I wish all of this stuff was still up some times to remind some of these people the stuff that they wrote, but the fact itself that these things were taking down shows that the creators of each site truly did not stand by what they wrote or have any proof of any allegations. So coming back here for a one comment run is the best they can do now. To much of what they have said in the past can be used against them now… enough rope was given. But what ever their reasons for commenting and running, it really only shows that they are still reading. So thank you Maxamous7 friend to Cristin, for you comment and run. We all remember exactly how far in the dark you stand in all of this due to your comments on LISK.com.
Oct 16, 2013 @ 06:48:18
What I am trying to figure out is did those people who were posing as other people and pretending to be five or six different people (or however many), did they not realize that everytime they posted their ip was showing? Or did they just not care?
Apr 08, 2014 @ 16:09:51
Ah, yes, I forgot about this delightful comment… my fault i guess
Sep 22, 2013 @ 17:30:12
JJW:
What do you think about the possibility of the Atlantic City murders and the LI murders being connected? And what are your thoughts about Shannan Gilbert?
I am interested in your opinion.
I would also be interested in your views on Jack the Ripper. If you don’t want to post the info here you can post it on my blog or send me an email if you like:
mdricex@gmail.com
Sep 23, 2013 @ 13:12:30
and i think that zero should just spill all your beans..emails and everything. the truth needs additional exposure, apparently.
show us the truth…all the evidence of the set-up!
Sep 23, 2013 @ 13:26:01
and yet on the ‘flukeyou’ page, cristen goes on about how she doesn’t think its flukeyou’s vendetta because of the drone (fake) and the text message to her aunts celly (a lie). now what does she have to say about flukeyou? still don’t think joey set this all up? really?
Sep 26, 2013 @ 05:30:39
tooclose, i couldn’t agree more.The hypocrisy is sickening!!
It is SHE who is OBSESSED with us and Mari AND JOE.
She has relentlessly slued others and made hurtful outrageous comments, NAME AND ADDRESS dropping….accusing Jen of being in a crime ring, referencing my ex husband, destroying Mike Ds reputation (and possibly exposing him to harm), trying to connect Murt, ECT…!!!!
And btw, talk about a NEGLECTFUL mother!! Just on the computer while her baby napped!!! PLEASE….not to mention exposing them to possible danger!!
Her heart is black, and YES she is dangerous
Sep 30, 2013 @ 18:50:00
Linda, thank you for the compliments on the blog. I really appreciate it. =] It may not be fancy but I have put a lot of time and effort into it.
You might not want to hear my opinions on Jon Benet! LOL. There are three cases that I have found I do not quite agree with John Douglas on, and this is one of them. Although I would not go so far as to say that I suspect the parents, I can say that I cannot rule out other people in the family and who were in the house at that time. The two other cases are 1. Amanda Knox, of whom John Douglas is a staunch supporter. I think that she shows every evidence of being a textbook sociopath and a sexual sadist and am confident she will show her colors eventually to all those who defend her. The second case is 2. OJ Simpson. John Douglas (and many others) are convinced that OJ Simpson killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. I never did. I always assumed that he played some part in it, but not the actual act itself. I firmly believe that Glen Rogers is telling the truth when he says that he committed those murders (at the behest of OJ SImpson). I do plan on doing some stuff on each of these cases on my blog eventually.
Gracias,
MD Rice
Oct 13, 2013 @ 19:12:04
MD…i eagerly await your thoughts on theses cases!!
Oct 19, 2013 @ 12:18:00
HI MD..agree with you in regards to Knox…far as OJ, my memory fails me, but an interview or story i read somewhere, referencing OJ’s son from a previous marriage, has always had me ‘thinking’ theres more to the story..BTW in no way am i an OJ supporter…
Oct 22, 2013 @ 12:25:40
I sent an email to you, zero, but wanted to post in case you don’t check your email…
The blog rumored to be mine has new comments and they’re not from me. The OFFICIAL Shannan Gilbert blog is being run by her OFFICIAL mother- Mari. She also clears up the rumor that it’s NOT my blog and has never been.
Now that’s cleared up, there should be no reason to bring me up moving forward. Thanks.
Oct 28, 2013 @ 15:41:53
hmmm… have to check that out… but Mari first posted on it asking who the blog belonged to… again I have not been looking into any of this lately so maybe I shouldn’t be commenting on things at this time… but just to clear things up I didn’t think it was yours, I still think it is questionable who started it, I do not believe it was Mari, but again I will have to go read what has been written (funny how nothing on it for a long time, I bring it up here, scramble scramble, mystery solved, or just more games?)
Oct 28, 2013 @ 20:04:37
Weird how two seconds after you ask CKB if it was hers, mari gets an email asking her to take over the blog…uncanny timing
Nov 04, 2013 @ 18:43:04
I just went and looked at blog, it still has not been used lately as far as I can see. But this was not created by Mari, and if she is now taking it over fine, but it still seems like unnecessary games. When all sides are being sneaky and untruthful nothing positive will happen. Only more distrust and misguided blame.
Oct 29, 2013 @ 10:29:35
what the hell do you mean “there should be no reason to bring me up going forward?. how about all that you have done? you can’t undo it and you did it all deliberately. that is plenty of reason to bring you up. don’t like it? tuff shit. LOOK what you have done!.
Oct 26, 2013 @ 17:34:34
Linda and zero:
Do you know if any of the suspects or persons of interest or other people surrounding the LISK case are either pilots or related to law enforcement?