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Flukeyou a.k.a. Joey a.k.a. Junior

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Here is Fluke trying to sell his “killer on site” ideas to Linda. She was much to smart to buy this. You see it sounds like a great story. But as I mentioned in the last post, there’s no reason to think CPH was ever at LISK.com or at MM7’s blog. There’s no reason to think he was trying to “run interference” or confuse other readers at these sites. Even Cristin finally  came to the realization “today” that CPH was not there. So does any one buy Joey’s stories any more? Dorothy? She does sound like they might be in contact. But I’m beginning to think Dorothy has other reasons for her pretending to buy Joey’s games. We’ll get to that later don’t worry.

Back to Joey. Let me change his question to Linda above just a little: Who is on this site trying to run interference? Joey, it was you:

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From the beginning it was you pushing CPH=LISK. It was you calling other commenters CPH. It was you posting over and over misleading and accusing comments about your neighbors. Ideas others would later run with. Do I need to bring up how MM7 fell for the whole Poker playing Newman gag.

It’s always been you. Why? Do you really hold that much hatred for your old neighbors? Or is it more sinister?

It’s my guess if LE hasn’t found anything linking any of you yet, it may mean this all has nothing to do with the murders, but cases can go on a while before enough evidence piles up on someone. So only time and good work by LE (which I am assured is happening) will tell.

But no matter what your reasons for doing this, there’s some kind of screw loose up stairs, right?  I know I’m not the only one who thinks so. But when did it start?

Was it 1996? I think we need to look into what was happening in Oak Beach in 1996 in Juniors life.

Later though, I really must get off this computer for now. I’ll leave you with something someone once wrote to me about Junior:

 He feed BS to Mari cause he knows thats what
he says she wants to hear and know. I understand that. Poor Mari is being
played by a man who either has something to do with this all or a vendetta
toward OB

This didn’t come from LISK.com people either.

CPH

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I thought I was gonna wait tell after Thanksgiving to start-up again, but my head is racing with things to write. So here we go.

The Doctor has been a big part of this since the beginning. Some thought CPH was commenting on LISK.com. Cristin thought he was down in Florida stalking her and leaving disturbing comments on her blog.

At the beginning of this  someone asked me if I really thought CPH was on LISK.com or MM7’s blog. My answer was, “if he’s a serial killer anything is possible”.

If  I was asked this question now I would have the definite answer “NO!”. Does it mean I don’t think he’s a serial killer? I doubt it much more now. Does it mean I don’t think he has any info to add to the investigation or what went on that night April 30th/may 1st 2010? That is not my call, and with so much coming out of that little community someone may be hiding something.

But was he here. No. Did he read my blog ever? I highly doubt it. He might have been told about LISK.com or MM7’s Catching LISK, but I just don’t think he came to stir it one way or the other. This means I also don’t think he stalked Cristin or posted anything on her blog. In fact I don’t think Cristin was stalked by anyone, I’ve made that clear before.

He has not been a part of all the hoopla and theatrics of LISK.com and MM7’s blog. Some think maybe his wife or daughter or other friend or family member was commenting in his defence, but I doubt that also.

At first most did not come to CPH’s defense, but more as the defense of the neighbors in general that Flukeyou was slandering and placing at JB’s house the night of Shannan’s disappearance. Most of the commenters still said many things about the Doc was suspicious, but the more Fluke pushed, the more people came to disagree with anything Fluke said, not because they were sticking up or covering for CPH but because they knew Fluke was lying about at least some of the stuff.

So if CPH was never there, who was? Well Joey of course. He’s the one who felt the need to take this all to a sleuthing site, to continuously bash his neighbors, pull in anyone he could to get his agenda met, and confuse and accuse those who didn’t agree with his agenda.

Joey, Joey, Joey. He’s the one you find behind every game play, not CPH. CPH never wrote on MM7’s blog, but we all know Joey did. CPH is nowhere to be found in any of this part. Only constant mentions of him by Joey.

No matter who was behind the running of LISK.com, no matter who connected up into the game and when, where does it all come back to?  Who do I come back to in any conversation with anyone about this again and again?

Flukyou aka Joey aka Junior…

A Comment From Fascinated

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As I steer away from LISK.com for a moment and focus on a few specifics, I’d like to leave it with another view from someone who was there:

Just a note from an old timer, the chat room never worked.  It would work for a day and then it would be down for days.  I could never get it to run on my computer.  And I was not the only one.  I think it was only around for a few weeks as I recall.

Another point you bring up, the admin didn’t seem to be around much.  It was like a little side project.  i really think they only checked it once a day.  It was like you would send in an email and the next morning it would show up in the email section where others could comment on it.  And later when people began to complain about the site not moderating comments, you post something and like three hours later it would post.

when all of the screen names got out of hand and someone started posting personal information like Mari Gilbert’s telephone number, the site admin began allowing one of the family members to help moderate the site.  I am guessing this is the same family member who has given you access to the archived site.

Also, the point keeps coming up that people couldn’t see these comments, that the site didn’t go back this far.  Well, the site actually closed down for a little while.  A week or so.  When it came back, all the old stuff was gone.  I walked away just before this happened.  And it helped me quit coming to the site.  All these grown adults acting like children.  People from the webslueths coming over to LISK to push their theories.  Foreigner even accused one of the Atlantic City victims’ husband of being the serial killer.  Hugh Auslander, who is mentioned in the article above.  He started posting on LISK to defend himself.  It was crazy.  Grasping as straws and ruining people’s reputations.  REAL people with REAL lives.  I wanted no part of it.  I could only imagine what CPH was going through.  No matter what he did or didn’t do, he and his whole family become cannon fodder for the armchair detective army.  Nevermind all the so called “facts” being spewed by Flukeyou aka JS jr.

I wanted to solve a puzzle not crucify innocent people.  And all the theories in the world will not solve this puzzle.  It needs pieces that fit.  And that takes evidence.  Without evidence there is nothing but speculation.  We had not right to convict someone of a crime with nothing more than speculation in the court of public opinion.  If I had been CPH I would have sued the owner of the LISK website for libel and negligence.

As for my theory of what the LISK was created for, it seems I read a statement either in an interview or in the comments somewhere.  They wanted ownership of the domain name so when the killer was caught they could sell the site and make some money.  When the site was first created they were selling T-Shirts.  It was always about profit.  All the drama going on with the people who posted there increased the potential bottom line.  Every hit was a number they could use to attract advertisers.  So they could sell the site for more money.  It was a side business while they did their day job.

I don’t know for sure who actually owned the site but I have some theories.  And there were people who I spoke to off line who claimed to have personal ties and influence with the site owner.  Claimed to have known them all their lives.  So either that person was the site owner or was a relative.  I’m guessing brother and sister, or childhood BFF.

Where Do We Go From Here?

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So I have read my fill at old LISK.com and reread some of the stuff from when I first got there earlier this year. I get it. Flukeyou pulled some people in and they shared screen names and misinformation. Remember early on we have Fieldnotes and Truthspider as well. The tree starts there, well somewhere Jen and Susie are there as well. (Remember Susie) All of these connect to Mari, some have met her and are helping her others are from Facebook and wanting to help. Who was there to actually help and who was there for other reasons I do not know for sure, but hindsight sure does help us see a few things.  I realize the fact that the phone call that was made to Mari from the doctor and his denial of it  plays a key role in all of this early on. And so does 48 hours, where a lot of us got the same story about the doctor. Before I ever came to LISK.com I was like who is this doctor and what does he know? And with LISK.com here is Fluke to put a personal touch on all the questions people had about the doc. And he had fake screen names and maybe a few of the already mentioned names to help spread his knowledge of the Doc and many other neighbors. And early on we have people, neighbors of Fluke and the Doc maybe, but definitely people with reason to doubt Flukes stories. And they start in trying to defluke him and also maybe figure out why he is saying some of the things he is. So here we have 2 sides of at least a few people using the sites lack of screen name security and a game begins.

Then there are the other readers here, having to figure out who is who and what their agenda is. Some of them pick sides. But the game gets really out there and many leave for different reasons. But the core remains, and when MM7 get’s  involved it really gets crazy. (I’m not sure how long DPH was involved or who put who in touch, but she was in there somewhere “helping”)

So MM7 has her reasons to think it’s the Doc long before her involvement with anyone I have mentioned above. So did I, as I mentioned above.

But watching 48 hours and reading news stories had quite a few people looking suspicious. The john, the driver, the doctor. Yes some suspicious people, how could they all be cleared? I, like many thought these things when we saw or read what was being said about this case. But after her getting involved with Flukeyou and working the case with Jen and Dorothy she knew 99.9% the doc was the killer, and because of that he was stalking her.

All very dramatic, but also very suspicious.

Some of the  gamers splinter, some question other’s motives. A lot of it comes to a head due to Joey not telling Cristin about his new baby? But this is just part of the onslaught of things  now being posted in the dying days of LISK.com.

The addition of PS149 on LISK.com helped speed this up, but Too Close had been there from the beginning trying to keep the madness Fluke and company were creating from spreading. And others like Linda were sick of the constant accusing of anyone who disagreed or found their connections questionable. My blog also came around, one more place for the show to continue. Most people just wanted the game to stop and the case to be brought back to being about the victims, the real ones not those who were victims of themselves. And I am still one of these people by the way.

There is also Websleuth, which because of my email address I can’t get an account there, I heard all the changes came there and made it much harder to become a member specifically because of  involvement of those I have mentioned above.

So back n forth it goes and it continues because the Doc is suspicious. It continues because Joey is just as suspicious. It continues because Dorothy is being used or is quite the wakko. (maybe both) It continues because Jen is either scared or sneaky. (I just can’t figure you out Jen) It continues because Cristin is either scared, played, or quite diabolical. (just my opinion, still not for sure which one applies, maybe a combo of all three)

It continues because none of the information, Joey, Cristin, Dorothy, Jen, or anyone else that was part of the games ever proved anything to anyone. It continues because you all connected and Mari at least must think one of you is hiding something or knows something, I will not speak for her, but if I was her I would be questioning all of you.

This is what I know and I doubt anyone will change my thoughts on any of this. There is still much I don’t know. There is still all the crazy screen names which is a lot more difficult to understand. And I know what I have wrote is just a general idea of what went on. I mean there is a lot more to Fieldnotes involvement in all this and when he tried to back away from it he became a child molester and a LISK suspect, so getting his side of this would be helpful, but it’s understandable why he doesn’t want any part of this any more. I don’t know much about the original Truthspider, Brenden right? Is he still involved in this somewhere? I remember cryptic posts about lifeguards and Fluke and Spider being friends.  Still so much cryptic stuff out there, which is startling when you put it up against the ongoing case and the cryptic parts of it.

Was an Oak Beach resident involved in any of murders? If so was it someone posting on LISK.com? We won’t know these answers till the case is solved. But Joey sure convinced a few people that there is something to doc putting himself into the middle of the case, unfortunately or maybe fortunately doing so also put him questionably “in the middle of the case”.

But where do I go from here with this blog?

I will post the remaining 200+ comments for those interested in reading the rest of them, though other then some virus talk, it’s a lot of the same thing. There are a few other posts with comments that I might put up here, again for those interested in reading them.

But really from here the only place to go is to continue focusing on those I know were involved here and I believe could be a little more light shedding if they wanted to be. We know who they all are, I can’t keep going over and over the things they want to keep circling around, I need to help push forward.

So let’s all enjoy our Thanksgiving and then I’ll focus in on Joey and his gang.

For What It’s Worth

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Before I go on I feel I must make some things understood so that they won’t be misunderstood. Though that may happen any way.

My name is zero and I live in Las Vegas, Nv. Was born and raised in California. I continue this blog because I feel that there was something wrong done by a group of people who have confused the real case of Shannan Gilbert. And whether you believe her death is connected to the others found of Gilgo Beach or not I’m sure you would agree that anything that corrupts one case corrupts them all, I mean even without LISK.com and all the games that came out of it, these cases are confusing and full of questions.

So when I came to LISK.com and MM7’s blog “Catching LISK”, and saw all of this, I felt someone needed to show them what it looked like to an outsider. I immediately got emails and strange comments on the blog. Some people I have proven they are or aren’t who they claim to be, but many others could be anyone.

I believe Flukeyou is Joey Scalice Jr. and this has pretty much been proven to every one by now, but I have yet to talk to him in any way and still unsure if any of the Flukeyou’s commenting on my blog is him.

I believe MM7 is who she was said to be and says she is. Meaning the MM7 posting on my blog is the same one from LISK.com and who created “Catching LISK”.

I believe Jen is who she says she is and also the commenter on my blog under the screen name “jjj”. She may also have wrote on LISK.com as “jj” but she says most of those comments were not her’s but someone using her screen name.

I believe Too Close To Home is who they say they are and the same one who wrote as “Too Close To Home” on LISK.com.

I believe Linda is who she says she is and the same “Linda” who commented on LISK.com.

I believe MDRice is who they say they are and the same “MDRice” who wrote on LISK.com

I believe Fascinated is who they say they are and the same “Fascinated” who wrote on LISK.com

I believe Cheryl is the same one who posted as “Cheryl” and “Cheryl#1” on LISK.com. She has never told me who she is but I believe she had a lot of good insights on who was who on LISK.com  (a few others did as well)

I believe DPH is who she says she is and has a few screen names on my blog. Don’t know if she ever posted on LISK.com but she has a lot to say on Facebook pages dedicated to the victims. Other than that I don’t know what to believe about her.

When a screen name from LISK.com first comes here to my blog, I do my best to make sure they are the same screen name and not someone playing games. The ones I have mentioned are the only ones I am sure of.

This being said, my sources are limited and so is the time I can put into this. Which I feel is still a lot, but maybe not enough to be as quick or as accurate as some of this may need.

And even if I was 100% sure who was who, their true agendas are still unsure to me. I think I get some of what some of you are doing, but nothing is for sure in my mind other than the fact that some really messed up stuff happened here.

I am still here, because of what I have read  in sites, IMs, posts, comments, and emails. I am here because I feel something is wrong and people are being dishonest. I am here because it all seems to be messing with others who do not need this kind of BS disturbing what is already hard enough for them.

I’m here because I feel there is truth to be found in all of this. I may never have it all, and it may not help any of the cases, or the people involved.

But If I do get some truth (which I have gotten to some, right?) and if it does help the cases or people involved (and I truly hope it does) then it will have been worth it.

Bottom line is I am trying to understand all of this. I’m not on anyone’s side but the truth. And if it doesn’t fit your understandings or agendas, if it seems pointless or questionable to you, I’m sorry.

 

200+ Comments: The Red Tags

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It’s no wonder people left the good fight at LISK.com, Computer Viruses with their names on it, red tags on your screen name, when clicked reveal things about you??? And many of the commenters believing a serial killer might be reading, maybe even posting!!!

This site seemed like a scary place. But it was a place where things were being said about a case that was hard to get info about otherwise.

So what were the Red Tags? This is all that is really said about the Red Tags in the 200+ comments. But I will look and see if I can find more elsewhere. Finding existing pages on the internet on a site that is gone is not always easy, some searching needs to be done, and then I you may still not find what you are looking for. But there is stuff to be found!

We can get a little bit of info on the red tags, it is mentioned that some people have different things at the bottom of the screen when you click them. And that some are different than others. I clicked on them myself and they did go somewhere. I’m not sure if they do exactly the same thing clicking on them now as they did then, but they seem to say the same thing by what the comments said about them then.

All but one of the screen names showed the same message:

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The one red tagged screen name that did not lead me here was “be”, it led to an internet  provider that I now know very well and doesn’t mean much at this point.

http://www.optimum.com/

But someone was trying to identify these screen names, or at least make others think so. A few screen names here that are called out as Neighbors of Dr. Hackett. Were they all neighbors of the Doc? I do not know the much of the screen names tagged red, other than Too Close none of then were around when I started reading at LISK.com. I know some of the commenters at LISK.com were neighbors of the Doctor or lived in Oak Beach at one time or another. Were these some of them? And what about posting someone’s internet provider? Was the site’s admin involved? Or did someone else find a way to tag these screen names?

One screen name  is left off, that we all know should have been on any list of the Doc’s neighbors, and that’s Flukeyou. The red tags seem to be a little one-sided here. But I’m not gonna speculate on what might seem obvious to me, when I’m still not sure of who did the tagging and why. Any one else wanna chime in here?

Still a few comments to go in this “should the site stay or go” post. So much learned already. The comments are about to get into the viruses that some say were being passed around through links being posted in comments.  What the heck did people reading there back then think was going on?

DPH Sighting

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It seems like Dorothy’s latest comments, ones I have posted here are gone. There are still plenty more though.  And they are out there for anyone to read!

It has come to my attention that DPH might have filed a Police & FBI complaint against me today. Really? Dorothy once sent me an email telling me the FBI was looking at my blog. This led me to contacting LE myself. No one I talked to or left messages with contacted me back. I let them know all my info and all about my blog. So now if she wishes to report me for something, add me to her list, so be it. LE needs to get to the bottom of her involvement in all of this. What, if anything, does she really know. Then again, maybe LE has her all figured out.

Either way, I will continue to post anything I read from her that seems harmful or helpful. Although that can be hard to tell which is which sometimes. See for yourself:

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So much going on in Dorothy’s comments. Comments with names and accusations. Comments linking everyone. Comments that are out there for everyone to see. I like these ones because they mention Scalise. But I’ll leave you with one that takes it all to another level.

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