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Since I am unsure of where this blog will go after I am finished posting all the comments from the sites admin. I will continue reading more posts and will decide from there. But in case I don’t go on in chronicle site order,  if anyone is curious when the site changed its dramatic appearance here is another admin post on just that:

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Now back to the comments.

 

LISK.com Admin Post and Comments Part 1

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So in these first few comments it is primarily voting and complaining about people using multiple screen names. And then Websleuth is mentioned. And so it will begin. LISK.com is laid out in these early months from December of 2010 to August of 2011. In less than a year games were being played and Joey vs The Doc had already begun. I can see the connections starting amongst these early posts. I can see exactly how it all played out.

In these early posts I see all the key players, I see victim’s friends and families, I see people like me not connected and confused by what they are reading.

These 200 plus comments shows a lot of it, but as I said it went on for a few more years, so it got really twisted. And yet as we look over all these early comments, we see as twisted as it got, it didn’t change much from the initial game.

LISK.com Summer of 2011 Part 2

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Every one pops up by the end of the summer. And to be honest, the comments all read a lot like they did in 2013 when I started reading there. But as I said these are the first, people are connecting, sharing ideas, meeting in person, trying to figure out who the people with real info are. I think I get it all pretty much now. My only question is, does any of it have to do with the murders, or was it a runaway train from the beginning? I mean JS’s identity was pretty much known from the beginning yet in 2013 it was like new stuff finally coming out. Only those there from the beginning or those who stuck around long enough could see the skipping record.

Again who had the best seat in this, who could put this all together much better than me? (I’m always playing catch up) Whoever was behind the site.

They had a front row seat to it all. And as the summer of 2011 was winding down they made this known:

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This got lots of comments:

212 Responses to “Message from the Site Admin”

That’s a lot of screen shots to get started on , and I’ll get to them and the admins entire post next. But first, again, who is the creator of the site, here they make it sound as if they too are/were a neighbor as well.  Here’s an article on the sites creator from April of 2011: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/04/long_island_serial_killer_website_interview.php

The beginning of this article has the sites creator saying the sight was made as a mockery but the August post implies it was made to help not mock. So were they really thinking about removing the site, or was it a spoof site from the beginning and this calculated post was to stir up some good mocking? I have seen other types of crime spoof sites, they never help and usually end up gone, but not before causing controversy and confusion.

Only the creator of the site can explain what they were trying to do and other insights they might have from running the site for so long.  Again some of you probably know much more about this sites creator than me, I’m playing catch up.

So let’s catch up together by looking at those 200 plus comments on whether the LISK.com site should stay or go.

Confusion or More Games

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Well I’d like to get back to the Summer of 2011 and other screen names, but this JJ one has found some road blocks. As Cristin commented, Jen has said she used the screen name jj when on LISK.com. And this JJ is easily confused with it. I myself had to rewrite that last post 3 times because of the confusion. But I do see that there is a JJ and a jj commenting in the month of April. I have posted the JJ ones (see last post) which I believe come from Jim Jones, they speak of CPH and going to LE. Now the jj’s I found in April are as follows:

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Now I think confusion solved, 2 different screen names, just similar enough to be seen as the same. JJ comments on who the killer is and jj comments on how the site needs to focus on positive helpful things rather than where it is going. So one could easily say we found Jim Jone’s first comments as well as Jen’s.

Accept Jen has just written me telling me none of these are hers, JJ is Jim Jones and this jj is someone pretending to be her.

WHAT?

Why was someone trying to be Jen so early on, and why can’t I find any earlier postings by jj?  There would need to be in order for someone to think there was a reason to pretend to be her. And why pretend to be Jen just to write about how the site is changing?

Regardless Jen insists she did not write these and does not want me or any of the comments to associate them with her.

So be it, common sense aside, here is a look at the first known fake screen name, pretending to be Jen  already in April of 2011.

Sorry if this has lost you, it’s hard to explain any clearer than this.

Right from the beginning games being played.

Let’s move on, and back to the Summer of 2011. Let’s see if we can find some other first comments.

The Doctor Is In

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So JJ may be Jim Jones, that is who I am told at least.  Is JJ Jim Jones? There are posts on here by Jim Jones as well.  Maybe he started as JJ and moved on to Jim Jones. Whoever JJ is, their first posts in April might have set everything in motion.

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All these early posts make me wonder if someone was watching and looking for recruits. Some one fishing perhaps. And these early posters got caught. Let’s take a closer look at this first post and the 7 comments made on it. You might be surprised at what get’s brought up. Some of you might not.

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More Clarification

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Once again before I go on, I feel I need to clear things up. See how the comments have a way of changing this blog. These are old snapshots that I am now in possession of sort to speak and I have snapshot them myself and posted them here. The internet has away of keeping things out there, what don’t you get. And just to prove this is how the site looked back in 201 as well as show how stupid attacks from people sometimes had no reason other than to just attack and confuse:

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This person, choosing the ever popular screen name “Anon” short for Anonymous if you didn’t know, is just trying to point out that the dramatic pictures and headers is not needed if the site is for helping get answers and not just looking for hype. At least that’s how I read it, and I have to say, since I am looking at the early version of this site for the first time it does shock me a little, but knowing the site like I do it only makes sense. Now even though they got blasted by some “just don’t get its” in the comments (posted below) The site took his advice, because when I came to read it in 2013 black text on white background was how it had become. All the dramatics were left to the comments, speaking of comments:

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Ahh name calling… and unjustified in my opinion. the post was valid, and if I had been reading it back then I would have commented along the same lines, in fact I did on some of my earlier posts on LISK.coms early look. In fact I would have suspected more to comment on this. I know later I read things about questions about this site, posted on MM7’s blog I believe, an article or something, I will have to try to find it. But anyways, maybe that is when they changed their look. But this is how it looked back then. You all were there, none of you saw this?

MM7’s First Post?

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The name Cristin is known to all of us now, but back on May 3rd 2011 this was not so. So I’ll ask straight forward is this you’re first post MM7? It’s much earlier than you said you posted on LISK.com. Is this the beginning of it all in this post? If so who commented on it?

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Daugherty? Another name now familiar to me. Are connections being made this early? Are these post pre-game posts? Let’s go a little further back to the first post by a screen name that is also familiar to me. And the comments on this one once again set it all up.

Correction

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We’ll get back to the Summer of 2011 on LISK.com but first I need to make a correction. In an earlier blog I had said Wanda’s post was the first one. But I was looking at the comments wrong, it was just the newest at the time, not the first. Wanda’s email was posted on May 15th 2011, but people had stuff posted as early as April. And scrolling down to find the first comment I came across a few screen names I didn’t know had been there that early.  We’ll look at those next, but first let’s take a look at the real first comment/email posted on LISK.com:

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Sent in April 22nd by John Doe. Let’s take a closer look.

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The first email LISK.com decided to post was an accusation with names and an address. (I removed the address though LISK.com did not) I do not know these names and I’m guessing they are not connected to the LISK case, anyone please correct me if I’m wrong. But here we are, a dramatic site, with dramatic images, posting a dramatic first comment. In hindsight we can say how harmful this pattern would be for the real case. But here it was just the beginning, no comments even left on John Doe’s post. And since I do not know these names I can not really comment on it either. So let’s move on to a name I do know.

Some Clarification

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As I have said before I went back and looked at older LISK.com posts right before it went away. And as MM7 said in her comment, it was not easy to do so and it did not go back that far. I copied and pasted a few of them and some of those made it into this blog early on. These new posts which have screen shots (something I just learned to do) are from stuff I have never read before and am doing so right now before I post them here. So just to make it clear, these are new to me. And because of that I already have to make a correction to an earlier blog…

LISK.com Summer of 2011 Part 1

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May and June sees many new posts and comments on LISK.com. Games are already afoot. By the end of June many of our regulars are established.  Flukeyou, Cheryl, Too Close To Home were all there by then. And some of the regulars who didn’t last till LISK.com’s demise in February of 2013 like Barnaby Jones, The Nasty, Jim Jones, BS, and Fascinated were also there. Now I had never read comments from Fascinated, but they were the last comment at Anonymous in my last blog and I have seen  a few comments from them now. This one show’s you just how early all of this started:

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It’s all right there isn’t it. My question is, how did it go on so long? I mean it was all laid out from the beginning. Ahh, through “sock puppets“, connections behind the scenes, involvement with victim’s families, and knowledge from the neighborhood. There were other places too that helped keep it all circling. Places like WS and MM7’s blog where more anonymous  screen names could come in spin their tale. All these things kept this game going and more people connecting and taking sides but really just mucking things up. Again some would include my blog in there.

But my blog is still here. For any one to read and see for themselves. And although I’m sure everyone has their own reasons for deleting everything and I would do the same if I thought it would help end the games and real answers could be sought after. But what was done went on for years and just deleting it all seems too easy. I still see it as erasing information, because there was stuff in there. And with it all gone it makes it easier for people to not admit what they wrote or to say it was something else. Looking through the comments to see what was said can still be done here.

And as you see parts of these other sites also remain. That’s the great thing about the internet, once you put it out there it is everywhere and not easily removed.

The site longislandserialkiller.com comes right back to the neighbors of Oak Beach, right back to the place and people where Shannan Gilbert was last seen. It then goes on to engulf everyone involved or who looks deep enough into the case.

DPH called this Good vs. Evil and that maybe true, but who are the Good ones? Who really wants to help solve this case? Is this a neighbor dispute or a search for a killer? You can use these outlets as a tool to get answers or to get revenge on those who wronged you. You can make this about you or you can make it about the truth.

At this point games and agendas are not helping, only truth can help.

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