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As this blog comes to an end, what are we left with? Basically just my opinion on some people who went from sleuthing to slandering. At times that opinion has changed. And even though I got lots of info from articles and people’s emails and comments, it still just boils down to “My Opinion”. Half the stuff people told me, others said just the opposite, so I had to decide what to believe and what not to belive. Some may value my opinion on some of this, some may not, but for what ever reason you came here to read my opinion and I gave it.

Like I said, it changed a little at times, but when I go back and reread what I have written I think most of it holds true to the same basic belief. What is that belief? That several people were involved in some sort of game with the LISK case. That some of them did it to gain some kind of attention in the limelight. Others played back, some with good intentions, some probably not so good. At the core of some of these people is a feeling that they were wronged in life, Joey, by his neighbors who tried to out him and his family from the Oak Beach community, Nancy and Dorothy, by their ex husbands and the legal system, you get the idea. So they used this tragedy to get even and to get noticed.

Again, this is just my opinion after looking into all of you over the past year, just like some of you have looked into me and formed opinions as well. Which is fine, and if anyone cares to hear about your opinions on me, by all means tell them. Hell, write a blog about it. But remember, I wrote this blog because I felt it was wrong for people to use this tragedy for their own agendas and games, and I think most who read here would agree with that.

I have said over and over that it was not my intention to sleuth the case, but my opinions on the case can still be seen throughout this blog. Again though, just opinions. I’m not LE. I do not have the info that they have. I don’t even have the info most of you have.

Still I did not just jump in line with anything anyone was throwing out there or trying to lead me to along the way. I just kept reading and well, writing. This made some of you not like me to much at certain times (like if I didn’t agree with the proper agenda) and other times I was a hero! Truth is I was just giving my opinion on what I witnessed. On what I read. On what I saw. On what I thought.

I wish I could just post every email correspondence I have with everyone, it would then be a lot easier to not only understand my opinion, but maybe see how I came to some of it. But that just isn’t possible. I understand why some would not want me to post their emails or bring their names into this. Some are just LISK.com readers… others, well you know who you are and what we have talked about and most of you have told me  a lot of my opinions are spot on. Would I love to post those emails? Of course I would, and since some of you love saying I put all my emails up on the blog, I sometimes think I should.

Don’t get nervous, I’m not doing it. But again, those I have talked to know what we have talked about.

There is still plenty of other things I can post here, to show why I have the opinions I do about all of this. Some of this stuff you may have already seen or read, most of it was given to me by one of you, the readers and the subjects of this blog. Pretty much the same demographics, right?

Let’s start with the newest link I was given. It’s the YouTube interviews with Richard Dormer. There are quite a few of them but I think they are worth watching. For those who strongly criticized LE as either dropping the ball on this case or covering things up, this may help show, as I believe, that LE is and has always taken this case very seriously and there for have looked into every lead and everyone possibly connected to this case. Or it may not change your view at all, but I still recommend watching all of them:

http://youtu.be/nyp9xUb4ljk

http://youtu.be/qayp5RoBZHI

http://youtu.be/Y_p8cnacPlU

http://youtu.be/lqL3_93kyhE

http://youtu.be/uPfykMNJDwY

http://youtu.be/1ffjXdpV-to

http://youtu.be/ZHDbzfMsGfI

I just watched these yesterday, and there is stuff in here I wouldn’t mind discussing, pros and cons, so if anyone else who has watched them feels the same, let me know in the comments.

Of course most of what I wrote about took place on Longislandserialkiller.com. Here’s a couple threads to start with, but you can look around to see what you can find there. Since the site is down I could not find every post, but a lot is still there:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110820063936/http://longislandserialkiller.com/2011/08/message-from-the-site-admin/

http://web.archive.org/web/20130307022431/http://longislandserialkiller.com/cheryl-1-4/

Here’s some things to watch and read if you have not yet:

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-long-island-serial-killer/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/murder-or-accident-how-did-shannan-gilbert-die/

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/6555383-48-hours-mystery-was-shannon-gilbert-murdered-or-not/

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-long-island-serial-killer-50126790/

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/long-island-serial-killer/

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/09/ijvm.01.html

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04/13/police-divers-to-continue-search-for-bodies-off-l-i-in-serial-killer-probe/

And then there are the things I was sent or found because of leading comments on my blogs, I think most who read here understand how some of these screen names involved in this over the years love to post stuff to lead you places. Is any of it connected? Maybe. But again I’m sure LE looks into any connections brought up at this point. So I’m not about to make guesses on things I could not possibly know. Sorry if this list of links is long or mixed up. I have a lot of these and I’m not gonna post links to all of them, but here’s a taste:

https://mm7vslisk.wordpress.com/

http://bossip.com/914301/hide-ya-kids-14-year-old-bronx-girl-escapes-after-being-held-as-sex-slave-in-queens-for-3-months/

http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20130803/NEWS10/308030090/The-puzzling-case-Brandon-Todd-Steuben-Co-teen-charged-keeping-sex-slave

http://www.longislandpress.com/2013/06/03/nassau-cops-bust-104-johns-in-online-prostitution-sting/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/16/miranda-barbour-accused-craigslist-killer-confession-report_n_4797592.html

http://peopleoftheblackcircle.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-deadly-fools-of-plum-island.html

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Happy-Hour-Charles-Hackett/product-reviews/0385114710/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/04/new_york_serial_killer_music_video.php

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/04/amber_lynn_costello_new_york_serial_killer.php

http://utopiaguide.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=149

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suit-filed-by-shannan-gilbert-s-mother-mostly-tossed-by-judge-1.6642829

http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/p/gilgo-long-island-serial-killer.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/crime/2011/12/07/long-island-serial-killers-victims-are-not-disposable/

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/21/l-i-man-accused-of-faking-his-own-death-due-in-court/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/raymond-roth-man-who-faked-drowning-arrested-impersonating-officer_n_2972845.html

http://www.topix.com/forum/county/suffolk-ny/TB5223F0NEOB01FV0/p43

http://www.longisland.com/news/06-27-13/update-body-found-on-gilgo-beach-is-that-of-missing-woman-natasha-jugo.html

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Missing-Woman-Syosset-Long-Island-Car-Found-Jasmine-Joseph-249541871.html

There is actually a lot more, but I think we’ll stop there. The last three links are suicides that I know some find questionable or possibly linked to the Gilgo Beach Murders. Again I have no information on things like this and can only read them and wonder myself.

Same goes for possible connection to other places like Atlantic City, Florida or New Mexico. Florida pops up again and again in things I have read. Some I have mentioned in this blog. Victims in the LISK case, bloggers, writers, POIs, etc. There are quite a few linked to all of this who live or have lived in Florida, but I have found nothing that actually connects Florida in any way but coincidence. But who knows? Until truth is known and the case is solved all possibilities are just that, possibilities. Another possibilty is a conection to the Atlantic City Murders. I didn’t know anything about the Atlantic City Murders tell I read about the Facebook pages that were made and seemed to connect them to the Gilgo Beach victims. Since then I have read quite a bit about the murders in Atlantic City, and until both cases are solved I guess it will continue to be, as many believe, possibly connected.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-19/news/29447411_1_profile-hugh-auslander-shannan-gilbert

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/30/atlantic.city.killings/

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/04/long_island_serial_killer_facebook_pages_atlantic_city.php

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/05/nyregion/05slay.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

http://newsblaze.com/story/20120202154151kays.nb/topstory.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/20/atlantic-city-authorities-eye-more-than-one-person-interest-in-2006-unsolved/

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/cover-story/The-Fifth-Victim.html?page=2&showAll=

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_538746.html#axzz2sJZcVOSE

http://www.philly.com/philly/video/BC51690839001.html

And what about New Mexico?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/10/five-years-after-mass-grave-discovered-albuquerque-killings-remain-unsolved/

There is so much out there so of course people will have opinions about what is connected and what isn’t.  I get that. We all get that, right? But what got me blogging my opinions, was that some people out there claimed to be working on more than opinion. Those of you who claim to know things, who write as if they are the victims and the heroes all in one, here is my final opinion for you. Your so-called knowledge should be questioned by everyone. The real connections are between those who passed around misinformation and played games with other people’s tragedies. And I think you know who those people are, in my opinion.

My Response

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Alright, I’m gonna get to that post I stopped in the middle of due to Dorothy’s continued running of the comment. But first I need to address another of Jen’s emails here for all to see.  In this email sent to me yesterday , Jen wrote: “With all due respect, Zero, when I was asked to find out something, I did just that.  I don’t need to justify or defend my actions.  All that matters is that I know what I write to you is the truth. ”   

 Never posted on your blog as anything but my initials so why post that I did under some other name?  It’s not true!
Obviously your IP detecting isn’t accurate if you can’t tell it’s NOT me”.

There was more, but these were the parts I addressed in my return email and I feel what I wrote needs to be addressed here since they will fit in to this post I need to finish, here is my reply:

To Jennifer
 
Today at 12:11 PM
I’m not gonna keep addressing everything you run off about… but in my opinion ALL of you have to justify and defend your actions, and obviously quite a few other people think so too. And as for the IP addresses… someone purposely uses places like Mc Donalds to post stuff, the use of mobile devices from free internet sites like these makes it impossible to be sure, but I know the key players now, and I know who had what info when, and well that makes it pretty easy for some of us to put 2 and 2 together. But go on joining the others blaming each other and not taking your spot where you belong in this. It will all be exposed eventually, that I am 99% sure of.

Other Sites

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Longislandserialkiller.com has been down now for a while and is probably not coming back. The site led me to MM7’s blog “Catching Lisk”: http://catchinglisk.wordpress.com

MM7 also has a page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mysterymom7

Shannan’s Facebook Dedication Page is the best place to go on Facebook if you are interested in this case: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Praying-for-Shannan-Maria-Gilbert/168485149857128

There are a few others that have popped up:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Who-is-the-long-Island-Serial-Killer/353463974772186

https://www.facebook.com/JohnDoeGilgoOakBeachCase

I’m sure there are others as well, but these are the ones I have checked out.

Due to this new “Dronegate” happenings I have come across some other blogs. They do not deal with the LISK case nor seem to be connected, but they do connect to MM7’s blog, and now mine. Starting with Murt’s:

http://murtwitnessonelive.wordpress.com

So with MM7, my blog, and now Murt’s blog there are three different views on what is going on here. But Murt has a past that mirrors the likes of LISK.com which deal with the Casey Anthony Case and the Haleigh Cummings Case (I woke up to booth MM7 and Mort having both blogged about the Haleigh Cummings Case today) as well as cases in Ohio. This mainly dealing with Michelle McKee and  a blog site called radionewz, which has post by Truthspider? Here’s a link: http://radionewz.net/

I spent the last few days looking into both of them and discovered a familiar story. Accusations of interfering in cases that eventually turn into accusations of involvement in cases including right up to exposing someone as a child molester, killer, etc. A feud going back to 2006??? For all these cases involved here, the poor victims and families seem to suffer from everyone’s internet feuds. Though I do not want to give the impression that I am against people getting involved in things where they think they can help but if there are ulterior motives and no help is seen, just an endless circle of finger-pointing, accusations, and threats I have to ask why? The problem is everyone has their own answer to this question. But do they really?  If any of you thought my blog was confusing before… boy are we stepping into it now.  Like Alice down the rabbit hole, I just keep getting curiouser and curiouser…

Here are a couple of other blogs connected to Murt and this side of the story:

http://thebigbombshell.wordpress.com/

http://anonluverz.wordpress.com/

That last one brings  Anonymous into it, via Michelle Mckee. Yes we are now way down that rabbit hole.  Here are Murt’s and Michelle’s Twitter where a lot of this part of the story unfolds:

https://twitter.com/MURTWITNESSONE

https://twitter.com/MichelleLMcKee

So I’m often asked why I blog about these different screen names and people I know nothing about. And I have answered this many times, but to truly simplify the answer, I’m looking for some kind of conclusion. I know that may not come, but I’ll be here bugging everyone till it does. (don’t quote me on that)

The thing is… most of the people involved here claim to be TRUTH seekers and all I have seen is a continuous never-ending story.  No answers no truth. And because of the different real cases involved it becomes a little worrisome. This is just a small example of what is going on in sites and blogs everyday. So I’ll put a question out there, to anyone involved in any of the sites I have just mentioned, although the question is not aimed at any of you in particular, and definitely not at any of the victims families (their sites are understood).

Who or why are you blogging for? And before you answer, the victims and their families do not benefit from ongoing stuff that never concludes anything. And if you say for your readers, well if you talk of truth and justice, then your readers should get truth and justice not ongoing nothingness. And those promising anti bullying, that are just pointing back and forth at each other do no justice to their readers who need clarification and understanding of what bullying and cyber-stalking is.

Everyone has their reasons for what they do… and you may consider these questions rhetorical if you wish, but at least ask yourself… what are the reasons for what YOU do?

Disclaimer #2

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If you have not read the first disclaimer, I would suggest that you do before reading this blog.  And just to add to it as I move this blog onward:

I am not involved in the Long Island Killer Case, I am not involved with anyone associated with it, Long Island, or  Florida.  I only felt something was wrong with the posts and comments being left on LISK.com. Which led me to MM7’s blog and all sorts of other internet connections. Blah, blah, blah, I’ve explained my interest in this and my blog many times already.

Just remember this blog largely deals in heresay. Things I’ve read, things others tell me. Some things are said to be facts, and some may be, but I have not seen much proof nor have I asked for it. Through out most of this I have seen many different sides and all are questionable. But since this deals with real people, real tragedy, please do not take anything written here by ANYONE as gospel. Look for proper information from proper places. And of course any one with information on any crimes from bullying to  cyber-stalking to abuse to human trafficking to murder and anything in between, PLEASE report everything to the proper authorities.