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A Year Later

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It’s been one year since I started this blog. So it seems right to end it today. This year has been a crazy one for me. I discovered things on the internet I knew where there, but did not know or understand how they end up connecting themselves. Entangling people in a true web of webs. I’ve said all I am going to say about those things here. As some of you know I continue to blog about the different things this year has led me to on the internet. And I’m only getting started there: http://zerodinh.wordpress.com/

I started this blog with a disclaimer that explained I would not be sleuthing any case, or trying to solve any murders. This blog was about the people I read commenting on a site called Longislandserialkiller.com and I have blogged more than enough about them. I’d like to end this blog on the subject I have stayed away from, the bodies found at and around Oak Beach.

We know a lot about some of them and nothing about others. We know that most of them were what they call Craigslist prostitutes or call girl or what ever name you want to give it. We know that some had hard lives from early on and that some were taken advantage of by those around them. We know that some of them had drug addictions or money problems. We know some of their names:

Maureen Brainard-Barnes

Melissa Barthelemy

Shannan Gilbert

Megan Waterman

Amber Overstreet

And thanks to their loved ones we know how beautiful each one was, how generous and caring they were. We know some had children they loved. We know they had dreams of bettering their lives.  We know some were artistic, some wrote lyrics and poetry. They were daughters, sisters, mothers, friends… they were all this and a lot more. More than anything anyone can know or say about them. Because of the things we don’t know, and that is what they would have done, what they would have achieved, what they would have become. Their lives were cut short and their story not properly ended. I know that most out there feel as I do, and our hopes and prayers are that at the very least the case will be solved giving the families of the victims answers and everyone piece of mind that those responsible will not be able to continue. It is not the end they deserve but it is an end, and one is needed here.

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Websleuths

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Websleuths is another part of this I have not mentioned much. This is because I never read there. That has changed and I recently started reading there. So far I have not found any LISK threads and have just been looking around getting a feel for the site. It seems like a good site and is run by people who do there best to keep games and agendas out of it. From what I was told and have read, just as much of this started there as it did on LISK.com but the site removed users and changed it’s set up to try to keep things on the up and up with out sock-puppet screen names and misinfo leaning towards agenda. Again, from what I’m told and have read about it. As I have said many times and one more time, I did not read or comment there.

Now that I am reading there I still don’t think I will be blogging about it since this blog is now 2 posts away from being done, plus I don’t think they like stuff being shared due to all those things the site fought hard to stop from happening.  So I heard and read. I have no intentions of breaking any rules there or brining any of the gamey stuff back there. I just want to check it out and hopefully learn. Though I don’t think what I’ve done is sleuthing, most of the stuff I looked into was about others who were sleuthing, but I did study many different aspects of the LISK case and read many others insights and opinions. And I have formed opinions of my own. And that is what sleuthing is right, studying a case and forming an opinion about it then writing that opinion? Sort of at least? So maybe I have sleuthed the case a little. I have definitely stated my opinions.

I like the site so far and hope to get new insights on this case and others there. If you are a reader here and you see me there feel free to send me a message. I’m there to learn.

Joseph Brewer & Michael Pak

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When I first came to read at LISK.com and Catching LISK, I like many others had known about three people mentioned that seemed to be POIs in the LISK case. The doctor, the driver, and the john. 48 Hours and other articles on the case told you all about these three men.  All three seemed supicious, but LE had cleared each from being a suspect. I’m not gonna even try to speak for them. But it’s safe to say that many still have questions about these three men.  My blog and other’s mention the doctor quite a bit. I have not talked much about the other two men though. Until now.

What some don’t realize is that these three men fit into “what happened to Shannan conspiracies” but I’m not sure how much they fit with the others who were found. Especially Mike the driver. If there was any connection to the other’s I would think it would have been discovered long ago and he would have been seen as a suspect. My opinion of course, but he was involved in sex trafficking plain and simple, and if LE thought pressuring him would get some names of people involved they would and, again my opinion, Mike would have given up anyone and anything he knew. So I’m guessing no connection was made. Let’s not forget he was a driver, if there was anything connecting him to others missing or killed we’d know by now, my opinion again. So I never felt much reason to bring up the driver, again, I’m not trying to speak for LE and have no idea what they know or don’t know about the driver, just that I believe if there was anything to link him they would jump on it.

I felt the same about Joseph Brewer as well, but there are a couple of differences there. One, we have stories of parties that get out of control. Mainly from Flukeyou (but I doubt he can be trusted, his stories just seem to be that, stories, right?) but I have read the book “Confessions of the Oak Beach Drifter” and the parties are implied in there as well. Still, once again, if LE could connect Brewer to any of the others that were found near Oak Beach I would think they would have been all over him and that he would have sung like a bird, do I really have to keep saying this is all just my opinion?

Again all three of these POI’s (can I call them that?) depends on what you think happened to Shannan.

If you believe that Shannan’s death was possibly a tragic accident, then if no connection is found between these three and anyone missing or found murdered then they most likely have nothing to do with any of this, well other than the john and the driver, their actions were partly responsible for what happened to Shannan no mater what, in my opinion.

If you believe Shannan’s death is connected to the AC4 then all of them once again take on suspicion. The thing is, once again, if LE could find connections between any of them and the AC4 I’m sure they would have pressured them and one of them would have snapped and come clean or spilled info on someone else. None of this seemed to happen because no arrests have been made. But again, LE, what they know, and how they are handling the case is not anything I know anything about and I am not speaking for them. I just have to believe they are doing everything they can to solve these cases.

So that leaves us with a third possibility (and the one I tend to believe): Shannan’s death was not an accident, but is still not connected to the AC4. When looking at everything, to me it seems there is more to be answered in Shannan’s death. And if that is true, then all three, the driver, the john,  And the doctor, once again come up into suspicion as does anyone else in that neighborhood that acts strangely about this case. But do we have conspiracy or coincidence?

I hope and believe these cases will be solved. If conspiracy is involved here, someone will slip and then spill on the others, in fact I think it already would have happened. Coincidence is a much harder thing to understand and work out. Especially when so many seem to be hiding or holding info back or at least pretending to. But I still think it will be worked out.

Out of the three of these men, it is Brewer I question the most, and that’s mainly because of what I read in Lost Girls. He goes on and on about what he knows that can break this case wide open, and yet won’t let you know what that is. This is something I have seen a lot in this case. Everyone’s got the answer, some know who the killer is for sure. Who’s got agenda and who’s just crazy is hard to tell apart. And a lot of you say you have gone to LE with your info, right? Why would anyone hold back info from LE if they thought it would help?

And yet years later and all these connections some of you have made, and still nothing that LE has been able to use.

In my opinion of course.

Lost Girls

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As I wrote on my Zero’s World Blog: http://zerodinh.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/fake/

Last week I was taking some time off the internet and my blogs watching some TV, and an episode of 20/20 came on where one of the segments was about a man named Raymond Roth got me thinking about the LISK case (let’s face it though, now a days it is never far from the front of my mind). I decided I have spent so much time looking at the games and agendas that I needed to take another look at the case itself. I mean that was the reason I went looking for more info in the first place and led me to LISK.com and Catching LISK. I was interested in the case. I had the book “Lost Girls” by Robert Kolker, and decided it was way past the time I read it.

First I want to say that I enjoyed the book and the way it was written. I highly recommend it to anyone who has not read it yet. Before I started my blog I had known a little about the case, during the writing of this blog I learned a lot more, but after reading Lost Girls I feel I have a much more detailed understanding of everything surrounding this case.

Once I had started this blog, I had focused my attention on the people behind the screen names, Joey, Cristin, Jen, and Dorothy and some others, I tried not to get to deep into the actual case, so again although I knew a lot, reading the book showed me much more into the tragic lives of Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello, and Shannan Gilbert. I learned more about their hardships, about their hopes and dreams, about the people around them, and the circumstances that led up to their disappearances. I have few things I would like to say about these 5 girls who were taken from their friends and families in such a devastating way, but I will save that for my final post. I will say this before moving on, Robert Kolker writes about the blame that seems to be passed around, the victims for their choice in professions, their families for not being able to stop them, their pimps and boyfriends for using them,  sites like Craigslist for allowing sex for sale type ads, LE for not reacting sooner, and on and on. As I belive the book points out, even laying the blame where it rightfully belongs, with the killer or killers, it does not ease the pain of family members, it does not help LE solve the case, and it does not make anyone feel any safer.  Laying blame to a senseless tragedy does not make it any less senseless.

The book also talked a little about what I called games and agendas in this blog mostly under the section titled “Conspiracy”. Here we learn about Joey being Flukeyou and how he believes so deeply in his neighbor being a killer that he can’t talk about anything else. We hear about Truthspider and how his sleuthing of the Doctor led him to believe he was a serial killer responsible for all of the bodies found on the shores of Long Island.  Though both have lots of reasons why they say the Doctor is guilty, most of it is nothing more than, “I think it could have happened this way”. I mean Joey has all sorts of ideas of how the bodies were stored and removed without being seen etc. But all this proves is that Joey has a good idea how it could have been done, no proof that the Doc did any of the things Joey talks about in the book.  Truthspider has a little more substance in his theories, like the book The Last Happy Hour by Charles J. Hackett. I remember when I first read about this on Catching LISK, I was floored! I mean here is a book by Dr. Hackett’s father where it describes taking his young son with him on trips to Atlantic City and had explained to his son about the  inability to convert “whores”. I haven’t read the book, but when I looked it up on Amazon I read a very good review on it. And now as I looked back for that review I realized that the review was by none other than Truthspider himself. LOL, funny how I missed that, but this was early on, before I even started blogging so I didn’t know about Truthspider and would have had no reason to recognize the name of the review author. But if you click on the book title above it will take you take you to the amazon site where you can read Mr. Murphy’s review of the book. I remember when I first read the review (not knowing it was by Truthspider) and also reading about how Mysterymom7 thought she was being stalked for her own beliefs that the Doc and I was like wow, this guy is a serial killer. Of course now I know there was agendas at work. Still I believe this book by the Doctor’s father is very peculiar and if more substantial evidence would surface on the doctor, the book might mean something. But so far that hasn’t seemed to happen. As Lost Girls points out, the conspiracies can be seen everywhere but when looking for substance none is found, and most of the echos of proof come back to Joey and his die-hard belief that his neighbors must be hiding something. Not much more than that. The thing I learned the most from the section titled “Conspiracy” was just how important my blog may be to others out there who read about this case and this book. Because the section titled ‘Conspiracy” stops short right where the real conspiracies begin. The book talks about Joey being Flukeyou and Brendan being Truthspider and how they took to the internet to try to prove their beliefs that the Doc was guilty, but it doesn’t go into the fact that they might have been working together at least at some point. Or how some wrote that Joey and Brendan might have known each other for a while. Or how a housewife from Florida would take both Joey’s and Brendan’s ideas and decide The Doctor was in deed guilty of killing many women over the years and not only post her theories claiming that she was 98% and sometimes 99% sure her theories were right, not only did she contact Mari’s lawyer with all this proof she said she was able to gather on the internet, but she created a blog where she claimed Dr. Hackett was now stalking her to try to keep her quiet. Of course my blog (with the help of many other’s who spoke with me and cleared many things up) showed that Joey used this blog to further his agenda as well. Lost Girls ends its story right before any of this part of the conspiracy started. It ends once all the bodies were found and that is when the internet games really got going. And since Longislandserialkiller.com and Catching LISK are both gone, my blog seems to be the only place to see how the conspiracy continued. Why is that important? I feel there are many reasons, not gonna go into them all because I have already defended this blog way to many times. But I’ll give what I feel is the main one.

In the book Lost Girls it discusses Joey and his theories. It mentions that he was right all along where Shannan would be found, but without my blog you might not be able to see ALL the things Joey wrote under the screen name Flukeyou. Like how he accused many of his neighbors of being at a party at Brewers house the night Shannan disappeared. This led to the now infamous fake “Fieldnotes Interview” and equal fake “Brewer Party Guest List”.  Didn’t Joey actually write that some of these neighbors accepted sexual favors from Shannan that night? Flukeyou/Joey wrote all sorts of things, most I think can be proven wrong. So it is my belief that everything written by Joey on Lisk.com and catching LISK and all the things he is telling people, needs to be looked at, which parts can be proven wrong, which parts are right, and which parts are impossible to be proven or he has no way of possibly knowing. In these 3 things a pattern might develop. The parts that can be proven wrong should be able to shine some light on a few things. And once that is done, the parts that are in the impossible of proving or him having no way of knowing suddenly popped into the proven right possibilities should speak volumes.

For those who don’t follow me let me end this post with a very crystal clear example.

Timeline helps me the most with understanding some of this. Knowing when somethings hit the media or when other things were found can shine a lot on some of the comments and posts I read. Some of them correspond in a way that explains the comment better, or at least the timing of it. Others only make you wonder. Like in the comments Flukeyou left on LISK.com  in August of 2011, about how things could be found or were already found in neighbors back house. Remember this is months before Shannan’s belongings are found. This comment alone suggest something was already found long before any reports of items being found:

flukeyou

How does Joey know the things he knows? Is he just making up so many things, that some of them are bound to be right? Or does he use things he knows and mixes them with things that are lies to frame his neighbors? Look through my blog, read for yourself all the things that Joey has written under the screen name Flukeyou (and a few others). See the different games he was wrapped up in. See the people who are connected to his agenda but weren’t mentioned in Lost Girls (although I think Dorothy actually did get a mention at the bottom of page 226)  Maybe you’ll see what others have come to see after years of his meddling in this case. That there is reason to take a closer look at Joey Scalice Jr aka Flukeyou.

DPH Sighting

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I might have to start a whole new blog dedicated to DPH sightings! Here is the latest left on my Facebook page:

DPH zero

Oh Dorothy, you are so confused. Too many have put stuff in your head. Jen, Cristin, Joey, and who ever else decided to look past your obvious break with reality and use you to help there agendas. Every one seems to know you are crazy and that is just the way it is. No one can stop you.

Well, I’m not going anywhere tell someone shuts you up. What you are doing is wrong. People out there reading your garbage you put out everywhere don’t know you and might actually think there is something to your many accusations.

You quickly (and vaguely) accuse me of crimes, something you have no problem doing to anyone who questions your screwed up comments. You know me from a nick name and what I have written, nothing would give you any reasons to think I was involved in criminal activity (no mug shots of me up yet, how bout your team?). For this reason alone I know you are full of sh*t, as does every one else who you thrown into you’re burning fire.  Even your so-called “team” says you sound crazy.

So Dorothy, while others shy away from you and are afraid to stand up to you, I am not. And if your friends Nancy and Todd want to bring themselves into this (so many people to follow suit after the Doc) then let them become part of my ever-growing lists of suspicious people.

DPH Sighting

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https://www.facebook.com/NFIGA

Here is the latest place Dorothy is posting BS comments about her ex and LISK info that is not true. This is Nancy, I don’t know her, but she has been making comments on my Facebook page defending Dorothy. Then she accused me of being the person behind the John Doe Facebook page. LOL. I am not a fan, nor a sleuther, nor someone trying to help anyone out here. I am someone who read what I read and called people out on it. Again, Nancy, read my blog please before questioning me or what my motives are.

Here’s what Dorothy had to say on Nancy’s page (let’s see how long before it is taken down).

LISK Dorothy 1

It’s like a broken record with that one. And now Nancy is invited on that team of hers. Cristin was on that team, right? We all know what Cristin has said her work on that team amounted to… So Nancy I would do some checking before I joined Team Dorothy.

DPH Sighting

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LISK DPH news

Well, once again it looks like Dorothy, Joey, and Cristin are all on that same track. Thanks to the 3 of them the Doc is about to be nailed to the wall for his involvement in Shannan’s death. And they will be heroes. They were right all along. Of course this is not what I hear, but let’s wait and see before making any rash statements.

I’d like to see everyone who claims to know what happened to Shannan put under oath and asked about their activities of that early May morning. I urge all of Oak Beach neighbors to come forward with ANYTHING they may know. Let’s find out once and for all if Joey or the Doc had anything to do with Shannan’s death.

I also would add, that if Joey and his crew are wrong, and nothing comes out of this lawsuit, then I suggest Mari sue Joey Scalise Jr. for something, I’m not a lawyer, but something to do with evidence tampering or something. I mean if the Doc is looked at because of his phone call and the idea that he said to a reporter that he saw Shannan “running away distressed” (which I have yet to see. Some did say they saw Shannan running away distressed, so there may be some misinformation or confusion here, but if there is proof the Doc said he saw Shannan that night, then yes that would be more lies the Doc is caught in and is probably hiding something, but again I have not seen it, which doesn’t matter as long as the proper people do), well then Joey’s telling of where Shannan’s stuff would be found, or where Shannan’s body would be found, or the numerous statements he has made on Cristin’s blog and LISK.com as other screen names alone, is reasons enough to have Joey put up under a microscope of the media and LE. Put Cristin and Jen up on the stand and make them tell their story under oath, I’d like to hear it. Use this blog as exhibit A.  And then get LISK.com and MM7’s “Catching LISK” blog as exhibit B and C.

All I’m saying is, if The Doc comes out of this lawsuit and nothing more is learned from it, then it is time to take a look at Joey and all those involved in feeding information to Mari and J.R . that is wrong (if the case so proves this). Their activities seem just as suspicious as any one else in this case.

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