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Joseph Brewer & Michael Pak

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When I first came to read at LISK.com and Catching LISK, I like many others had known about three people mentioned that seemed to be POIs in the LISK case. The doctor, the driver, and the john. 48 Hours and other articles on the case told you all about these three men.  All three seemed supicious, but LE had cleared each from being a suspect. I’m not gonna even try to speak for them. But it’s safe to say that many still have questions about these three men.  My blog and other’s mention the doctor quite a bit. I have not talked much about the other two men though. Until now.

What some don’t realize is that these three men fit into “what happened to Shannan conspiracies” but I’m not sure how much they fit with the others who were found. Especially Mike the driver. If there was any connection to the other’s I would think it would have been discovered long ago and he would have been seen as a suspect. My opinion of course, but he was involved in sex trafficking plain and simple, and if LE thought pressuring him would get some names of people involved they would and, again my opinion, Mike would have given up anyone and anything he knew. So I’m guessing no connection was made. Let’s not forget he was a driver, if there was anything connecting him to others missing or killed we’d know by now, my opinion again. So I never felt much reason to bring up the driver, again, I’m not trying to speak for LE and have no idea what they know or don’t know about the driver, just that I believe if there was anything to link him they would jump on it.

I felt the same about Joseph Brewer as well, but there are a couple of differences there. One, we have stories of parties that get out of control. Mainly from Flukeyou (but I doubt he can be trusted, his stories just seem to be that, stories, right?) but I have read the book “Confessions of the Oak Beach Drifter” and the parties are implied in there as well. Still, once again, if LE could connect Brewer to any of the others that were found near Oak Beach I would think they would have been all over him and that he would have sung like a bird, do I really have to keep saying this is all just my opinion?

Again all three of these POI’s (can I call them that?) depends on what you think happened to Shannan.

If you believe that Shannan’s death was possibly a tragic accident, then if no connection is found between these three and anyone missing or found murdered then they most likely have nothing to do with any of this, well other than the john and the driver, their actions were partly responsible for what happened to Shannan no mater what, in my opinion. If you belive Shannan’s death is connected to the other’s then all of them once again take on suspicions, all of it has been put out there so I don’t need to go over it all. The thing is, once again, if LE could find connections between any of them and the others I’m sure they would have pressured them and one of them would have snapped and come clean or spilled info on someone else. None of this seemed to happen because no arrests have been made. But again, LE, what they know, and how they are handling the case is not anything I know anything about and I am not speaking for them. I just have to believe they are doing everything they can to solve these cases.

So that leaves us with a third possibility (and the one I tend to believe): Shannan’s death was not an accident, but is still not connected to the others. When looking at everything, to me it seems there is more to be answered in Shannan’s death. And if that is true, then all three, the driver, the john, the doctor, once again come up into suspicion as does anyone else in that neighborhood that acts strangely about this case. But do we have conspiracy or coincidence?

I hope and believe these cases will be solved. If conspiracy is involved here, someone will slip and then spill on the others, in fact I think it already would have happened. Coincidence is a much harder thing to understand and work out. Especially when so many seem to be hiding or holding info back or at least pretending to. But I still think it will be worked out.

Out of the three of these men, it is Brewer I question the most, and that’s mainly because of what I read in Lost Girls. He goes on and on about what he knows that can break this case wide open, and yet won’t let you know what that is. This is something I have seen a lot in this case. Everyone’s got the answer, some know who the killer is for sure. Who’s got agenda and who’s just crazy is hard to tell apart. And a lot of you say you have gone to LE with your info, right? Why would anyone hold back info from LE if they thought it would help?

And yet years later and all these connections some of you have made, and still nothing that LE has been able to use.

In my opinion of course.

CPH

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I thought I was gonna wait tell after Thanksgiving to start-up again, but my head is racing with things to write. So here we go.

The Doctor has been a big part of this since the beginning. Some thought CPH was commenting on LISK.com. Cristin thought he was down in Florida stalking her and leaving disturbing comments on her blog.

At the beginning of this  someone asked me if I really thought CPH was on LISK.com or MM7’s blog. My answer was, “if he’s a serial killer anything is possible”.

If  I was asked this question now I would have the definite answer “NO!”. Does it mean I don’t think he’s a serial killer? I doubt it much more now. Does it mean I don’t think he has any info to add to the investigation or what went on that night April 30th/may 1st 2010? That is not my call, and with so much coming out of that little community someone may be hiding something.

But was he here. No. Did he read my blog ever? I highly doubt it. He might have been told about LISK.com or MM7’s Catching LISK, but I just don’t think he came to stir it one way or the other. This means I also don’t think he stalked Cristin or posted anything on her blog. In fact I don’t think Cristin was stalked by anyone, I’ve made that clear before.

He has not been a part of all the hoopla and theatrics of LISK.com and MM7’s blog. Some think maybe his wife or daughter or other friend or family member was commenting in his defence, but I doubt that also.

At first most did not come to CPH’s defense, but more as the defense of the neighbors in general that Flukeyou was slandering and placing at JB’s house the night of Shannan’s disappearance. Most of the commenters still said many things about the Doc was suspicious, but the more Fluke pushed, the more people came to disagree with anything Fluke said, not because they were sticking up or covering for CPH but because they knew Fluke was lying about at least some of the stuff.

So if CPH was never there, who was? Well Joey of course. He’s the one who felt the need to take this all to a sleuthing site, to continuously bash his neighbors, pull in anyone he could to get his agenda met, and confuse and accuse those who didn’t agree with his agenda.

Joey, Joey, Joey. He’s the one you find behind every game play, not CPH. CPH never wrote on MM7’s blog, but we all know Joey did. CPH is nowhere to be found in any of this part. Only constant mentions of him by Joey.

No matter who was behind the running of LISK.com, no matter who connected up into the game and when, where does it all come back to?  Who do I come back to in any conversation with anyone about this again and again?

Flukyou aka Joey aka Junior…

MM7 vs LISK

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I started a blog years ago on Myspace (Yes Myspace). I was not a blog reader, so I didn’t know much about it. I just felt I wanted to say somethings to the world an so I did. It was something I called my “Sunday Blog” .

It started out a lot like my current zeroblog here on wordpress. In the few years I wrote it, the blog was really all over the place, eventually becoming  what I called a blography (which was my biography in blog form) But it didn’t last because:

A. My creative side is a big skitzo and can not focus on one thing for to long.

B. I started thinking the world and the way it treats each other was just the way they want it, who am I to try to change it.

And although A is still true and B is some times still true (though deep down we truly want to treat each other better, I hope) I had decided it was time to try to start my zero blog up again, but this time try to stay focused (ha!). But I still was not a blog reader so I had no idea how to even go about getting a blog account.

Meanwhile while looking up info in Shannan Gilbert and the Long Island Killer I came across LISK.com and MM7’s blog.  This led me to wordpress and since I was there I decided to get my new Zero Blog started.

When I started writing my blog I knew I wanted to blog about what I read on LISK.com and MM7’s blog, and I also knew it might become its own blog. So even before I started writing “Catfish & Serial Killers” on my other blog I created another blog called MM7 vs LISK. It was nothing but a title but it was there waiting.  What would it be about? How a sleuther was outed on LISK.com because of her beliefs in an open case, or how maybe the killer himself might be stalking her and leaving cryptic messages on her blog. Yes probably. But as I have said many times my understandings of what was going on here changed constantly. At the time I thought most everyone involved were outside the case and just fighting about opinions, so of course I didn’t understand why MM7’s belief that CPH was a killer caused so much obvious hateful comments.

I did not know about Joey Scalice Jr. And to be fair to this day although I have shared emails and im’s with quite a few people, I have not with JS/Fluke. I sent him one message but never heard back from him. So what I know about him is through his posts as Flukeyou on LISK.com (I’ve read 100s of  them) and what others tell me or have commented about him. But as I have said before this all leads back to him… but it isn’t that simple and I would love to hear Joey’s side of this, so what do you say Joey?  Send me an email: zerodinh@rocketmail.com

I know it’s a long shot but I have kept all my private conversations that, PRIVATE. And there are things you could set me straight on, so…  we’ll leave it there.

So back to this blog, by the time all 3 parts of “Catfish & Serial Killers” was written I still wanted to write a separate blog about MM7, LISK.com, and all the commenters, but the title would not fit because there was just so much more going on there then I first suspected. I needed a new name, I decided on The Long Island Serial Killer & The Internet. Which I was never totally happy with but thought it fit and would do.

You may have noticed I kept MM7vsLISK.com as the http address for this blog, at first that was because I didn’t know how to change it, but in the long run I decided to leave it because it still had meaning in the blog. And lately all the sides have seemed to once again divide on to 2 sides. But with MM7’s blog now gone, and in fact MM7 no longer existing there is not much more for me to go with the whole MM7 vs LISK. It is not there at the moment. DPH and MM7 (I guess I should write CKB) are taking it off the blogs and into fully proving CPH’s involvement and the connection to DPH’s estranged husband. And I have told them I hope they do, because no one else can.

This blog how ever will remain and I’m sure comments will continue, though most stopped a long time ago. As with MM7’s blog and LISK.com it’s the comments that say everything. And again anyone can contact me through above email and Facebook. And my other blog is just about to pick up where this one is leaving off. Because this type of thing happens every day.