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I started reading back over this blog in preparation for my final posts here. The blog itself is separated in three parts. The first part I was really trying to just figure out all the screen names and real names. In March of 2013 in one of my first posts I discussed trolls and sock-puppets:

So, they are close to the same thing, the general difference being, the reason they do it.  A sock puppet has motives behind what they do, while trolls just like to mess with people. At least that’s how I read it.

And to me I see reason to believe both were/are going on here. The hard part is deciphering between the 2. One or more of these posters are very good at what they do. It is almost impossible to know who is who. There are some ways, which we will later discus, to connect them however.  But now that sites and posts are disappearing it is a little harder to do.  It’s a Riddle Wrapped In A Mystery Inside An Enigma.  Shall we get started?

And for some of the name game, it is still a puzzle to me. But I now think less troll activity was involved than I originally thought. At least not just random trollness. All the many screen names aside, the many “real” names thrown out in comments and posts were sometimes just as confusing to me. As I tried to explain in a post in April of 2013:

So what I’m getting at is, even though all these names have been “leaked”, I have no proof that any of these names are real or at least really anyone involved in these posts.

So I will use them when needed, after all they have already been thrown out there, and not by me. But I am not trying to endanger anyone or use names of people who have nothing to do with this, so feel free to ask me to remove anything that you might feel is fraudulent or personal info of yourself that you do not want out there.

I was trying to figure out who everyone was that was being thrown out there, but a lot of times they were just names to me, I had no idea who they really were.

The second part of the blog comes after I have a little better understanding of who is who and focused mainly on trying to figure out game and agenda. In May of 2013 I wrote:

So I’m often asked why I blog about these different screen names and people I know nothing about. And I have answered this many times, but to truly simplify the answer, I’m looking for some kind of conclusion. I know that may not come, but I’ll be here bugging everyone till it does. (don’t quote me on that)

And for the most part at that time I continued to blog about this because I was just looking for some sort of end to the story. The thing that would bring the who’s, what’s, and why’s together. During this time I realized some of this had been going on for a long time and that the game part of this was somewhat connected to the actual LISK case. Flukeyou really was Joey, and he really was a neighbor or Dr. Hackett. That other locals were also behind some of the screen names and that an Oak Beach neighbor dispute not only played out in the comments of LISK.com but had been going on for years and now seemed to have found its way into the LISK case. That many of those involved in the games and agendas had centered themselves right into the actual case. Joey, Dorothy, Jen, Cristin, and quite a few others had spoken to Mari and/or her lawyer as well as others in the LISK case. These games and agendas were not just some internet posts. I realized much more of what was happening was in emails and phone calls, the posts and comments were only a show most of the time. The more people who started commenting on my blog led me to contact with some of these commenters. This second part concludes when I realize that all though I could see there were games being played, and although I could see who some of the players were. I was not going to be able to prove it to any one but myself. No one was coming clean on their own, though Jen and Cristin did help a lot with what they did come out with. Joey and Dorothy have never stopped playing game once on these sites and blogs. And still so many screen names unclaimed. But I felt it was as far as it could go at that point.

During this second part of the blog and while the blog was on pause for a few months, I did continue to share emails with people. Made some contacts on Facebook. Someone told me about the “way back machine” and how it could be used to read old LISK.com posts. The more I knew about people, the real people in this with no agendas other than wanting the truth to come out and some of the games and agendas to be exposed for what they were. The more I read old LISK.com stuff. the more I felt the blog was incomplete. LISK.com and Catching LISK were both gone by this time but I still felt something could be learned by looking closer at both these sites and the people who created them as well as the one person who dominated both places with their agenda, Flukeyou. And that is what I did on the third part of this blog. I dug in deep to the early LISK.com stuff. Spoke with quite a few of the earlier commenters there. Understanding LISK.com, its creator, and what went on there was not quite the big mystery. Most of the people who were part of it had already gone through the whole who is who game, and many knew who each of the others were. So getting behind any LISK.com mysteries went rather quickly once I started in this third time. Leaving me mainly just 2 questions about it, who was PS149 who posted at LISK.com in it’s final days and why did Flukeyou use the site to sensationalize what ever suspicions he had about his doctor neighbor? We may never learn who that PS149 was. And it is probably more important to understand why Fluke did what he did.

And as we all know Fluke continues the accusations of conspiracy and coverup on MM7’s blog “Catching LISK”. It was a little harder to blog about what went on there because I had to go from memory and the few things I had saved from it. But then MM7 sent me access to her blog. I was shocked and even told her I couldn’t understand why she would have sent it to me. But I was glad she did. I was able to continue the blog showing how Flukeyou continued his agenda on Catching LISK.  Of course “Catching LISK” is a lot more difficult to figure out even with the whole blog in front of you. Part is due to commenters like NERD who take the blog for a wild ride and part is due to MM7’s claims of being stalked at least one of these commenters. In this third part of my blog I learned quite a bit more about the creators of the 2 sites I blogged about. I understood more of why these sites were made and why they were taken down. It seemed that this third part to the blog (the final part?) too must come to an end. And that is what I am attempting to now do. But as I look back over my blog and choose my final word for the final posts I feel I must once again say that I stand by this blog and the journey it describes. And I once again ask, that if you are going to judge this blog, please read it in its entirety, see my growth and understanding with each post. Remember this is from an outsiders view with no inside information or knowledge about anything. A lot of the time I am playing catch up with most of you that read and comment here, so you can see my blog through your own eyes and understanding of what went on here (here being my blog and the blogs and sites I wrote about). By reading the entire blog I think you can see clearer the conclusions I came to about LISK.com, Catching LISK, and all those who participated in them. Are they the right ones? You tell me.

I also ask that you bare with me for just a few more posts, and please be patient, I want to be as clear as possible in wrapping this blog up.

Stop Denying Games

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Ok… Junior is not playing games, Jen is not playing games, Cristin is not playing games. All of you played games together, we just have to go to another blog to prove this. And I will right now.

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These are both from MM7’s blog Catching LISK. Most of us already knew Flukeyou was posting there as Barbara H. but it wasn’t till recently that Cristin came clean with this. Take a look at his post. Called Cristin a bitch, guess that’s ok during game play. How is this not game? And how is it not believing Joey’s ideas, these are his ideas and you (Cristin) let him post them time and time again on your blog, knowing full well it was him.

Now the second one you might not know is Jen (although I’m sure she’ll deny it, just don’t know where since she is no longer emailing me and won’t comment here either.) And if this comment left by BablonBabyDoll isn’t a clear case of sock puppetry then maybe I need to show more. Pretending to be an outsider and not know who MM7 is. Wow Jen, no wonder you kept not believing me to be an outsider, you knew first hand some of you were pretending to be an outsider to keep the game going.

Join the side of truth, be humble and admit to what you all did wrong, but help us clear it up so we know if it has any thing to do with Shannan’s death. Other wise you will continue to look shady. That’s to all of you.

Jen’s Farewell

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One thing about Jen’s emails that I love is how she likes to throw my words back at me and they just seem to prove my point further and not the one she is trying to make (some of my favorite screen names used to do this to me). Like this clip from one of the first emails I sent her.  She has been throwing this back at me for some time how I said she seems to be the most honest one. Yes I wrote that, because back then she (Jen) was exposing things that her and MM7 had done, but even then I told her that doesn’t mean anything, she could still be anyone (though I now know she is not MM7)  and it was easy for her to be honest back then, she was tattle telling on her friend Cristin. It’s when we got in to her involvement where her lies started in (oh she’ll like that). One other thing to point out, if you look back at some of the wayward screen names that commented on my blog, they used the same technique, all nice to me when I follow where they led, but when I questioned them they were all “you don’t get it”. Yes I have my reasons for thinking Jen was behind some of those screen names, again something she hates, but deep down she knows I’m right. She’s not that far gone.  Also she is good at screen shots (she has sent me many), her emails have color schemes, and she likes to use your own words against you, not very well as I pointed out. But yes, I have my reasons for my beliefs when it comes to Jen. I may be confused by her, but I’m not fooled by her. So maybe it’s time to take a closer look at Jen. As she said, I have enough emails from her to keep myself busy.  Her emails are very interesting and very telling. Oh and very distracting.

Understanding Jen

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Alright,  it’s over for Junior. All is exposed. His long campaing against his neighbors can be seen for what it is. Lies and false accusations. Sad thing is, if the Doc has anything to do with Shannan’s death or is hiding something, because of Junior and company and all the BS they put out there we might never know. Another thing is now you Joey are in question of being involved in something and trying to cover it up. I hope LE looks at both of you again and again just to make sure they don’t miss something  on either of you.
Dorothy is not to be believed. I spoke to her ex husband Chris Wolff and what she has put him through is just beyond messed up. Dorothy, I’m sure you know your ten commandments, but I feel I must remind you about the false witness one.
Cristin wants to clear the air. And this is questioned with good reason, we have heard it before and I still think she doesn’t get Juniors true part in this. But if she jumps back again does it matter. It would just be like, go away already.
Sad part about both of them is that if any of their findings had any substance, no one will ever know.
OK this is where this blog sat for the last couple days. Dorothy’s ongoing comments were getting to me. and the latest attacks made on Jen put me out of the mood of this particular post’s topic. So instead I made another call. I had already called Chris Wolff and got the truth about Dorothy. I had also called Cristin, and although I am being cautious, I think/hope she is trying to clear her name and therefore not still in contact with Joey, Jen, or Dorothy. If I’m wrong well then my above statement will stand true. I’m not sure if any of them are in contact any more, but with this like so much else, time will tell. My third call while I decided the fate of this post went to Linda. We talked a little while and she seemed very genuine. Our talk was great and it left me even more unsure of this post. Is it my fault I don’t get Jen? And what if I misread Dorothy or Cristin or some one else? Do I really have the right to keep on blogging about all of you?
Before anyone answers that, let me try. Jen still continues to confuse me and I don’t think I am the only one. So for this post I am going to at least try to explain why. So I guess whether I have the right or not, I’m gonna continue to blog about all of you. so where was I?
Jen says she is a part of this in every step of it and yet she is not a part of it in any way. That’s how it seems to me any way. If I was gonna sum it all up that’s it.  She first told me she got involved with Cristin at Mari’s request to see if Cristin was writing a book. The conection I believe was through a page belonging to Mari where both Jen and Cristin commented. But now Jen’s story on meeting Cristin is more focused in that Joey asked her to work with Cristin.  Am I confused? Well obviously I must be. Maybe someone can help me out there.
There are other things like this that make me question her. And I have my reasons why I think she was behind a lot of the screen names on my blog that were trying to expose MM7 to me (they all stopped when Jen finally came on as jjj and we started exchanging emails in which she exposed MM7).  But it’s not one thing and I’d have to look through tons of emails to point it all out. But the latest thing which is both something big and something small says it all.
In some of our latest emails she said she was sorry she listened to Linda and started emailing me again. Now I’m sure Linda had told her she could trust me and email me etc. but I had been the one who had written Jen and told her I was blogging again and asked if she wanted to help clear everything up once and for all, in fact at the time her and Linda had had a falling out and were not emailing each other. I wrote her this and she wrote back that she had started writing me again long before her falling out with Linda. Now this was ridicules since Linda had written me about it before I sent my email to Jen, and Jen’s first responses had a tale of her and Linda’s “misunderstanding”. Now this seems silly to argue over, but it’s just an example of how she will twist little things that don’t matter and argue with you about them even though you know the truth. But the bigger part of this is in the actual disagreement. Here is a what Jen said about the falling out (which  she says was weeks ago even though now she wants me to believe it happened after we started emailing again???) Jen wrote:
I just spoke to Linda last week after not speaking with her for weeks cause of a miscommunication.
A few weeks back, Linda did a sudden about face regarding who I am, claimed I lied, said I was spying on her for Mari or JS, was Mari’s “henchman”, said I told her “you should be buried with the other girls”. This makes me SICK!!!  I would never in a million years say that to my worst enemy. I spent hours on the phone with her cause she appeared to be in need of a shoulder to lean on based on what she said but she later denied that. So, fast forward to last week. I texted her, indicating “I need to speak to her, asking her to put all aside, no one can know, not Z, BF, blogs, nada”…yet she interpreted that as I had some deep dark secret to tell her. I bluntly told her on the phone that my text was simply asking to put all behind & nothing from our talks said to anyone.  PERIOD!!  She has a habit of dropping “hints” on the blogs about what we talk about that are not meant to be made public. She has admitted to being impulsive & kept promising to not be quick to write. But that didn’t happen. She then told me she was going to run my text by YOU to get your opinion, so I asked her “what am I, a child?  I’m explaining my text bluntly & you still don’t accept it?”  
Here she says last week and weeks ago, and this is in her first email to me in months. So why now is she trying to make me believe this falling out with her and Linda happened after we started sharing emails again? It’s silly and makes no sense to me and this is one of many things like that. But the bigger part. As you read in her email, Linda and her had a phone conversation where Linda says Jen says “you should be buried with the other girls”.  Now this is outrageous. And Linda had sent me an email before I was back in contact with Jen telling me about it. At the time I didn’t know who to believe, I mean why would Linda make this up?  But then what did this mean if it was true? More confusion regarding Jen.
Now it seems Jen has received “spoof calls” they seem to be quite popular with this crowd. And even more so Jen says someone must have spoof called Linda, that explains it. It wasn’t her. Someone spoofed her. And yet in her early emails about it with me and Linda from what I’m told never questioned the calls, Jen and Linda had been talking, just that there must have been a misunderstanding. Yea call me confused again, I don’t see what could be misunderstood as to what Linda heard. Which may be why the spoof call is now being brought up as an alternative. Is it me or is Jen using Cristin’s tricks? Sorry just a joke… kind of at least.
So did she say this? Linda says she did and I believe her. Was it a spoof call? I doubt it. She doesn’t deny them talking on the phone at first so can’t now.
So see in just these little things that have just come up, not to mention so many more that I have just not been able to quite understand, it’s not my fault Jen confuses me, right?
 

My Response

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Alright, I’m gonna get to that post I stopped in the middle of due to Dorothy’s continued running of the comment. But first I need to address another of Jen’s emails here for all to see.  In this email sent to me yesterday , Jen wrote: “With all due respect, Zero, when I was asked to find out something, I did just that.  I don’t need to justify or defend my actions.  All that matters is that I know what I write to you is the truth. ”   

 Never posted on your blog as anything but my initials so why post that I did under some other name?  It’s not true!
Obviously your IP detecting isn’t accurate if you can’t tell it’s NOT me”.

There was more, but these were the parts I addressed in my return email and I feel what I wrote needs to be addressed here since they will fit in to this post I need to finish, here is my reply:

To Jennifer
 
Today at 12:11 PM
I’m not gonna keep addressing everything you run off about… but in my opinion ALL of you have to justify and defend your actions, and obviously quite a few other people think so too. And as for the IP addresses… someone purposely uses places like Mc Donalds to post stuff, the use of mobile devices from free internet sites like these makes it impossible to be sure, but I know the key players now, and I know who had what info when, and well that makes it pretty easy for some of us to put 2 and 2 together. But go on joining the others blaming each other and not taking your spot where you belong in this. It will all be exposed eventually, that I am 99% sure of.

For Jen

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me? LMFAO
I did make a screen name at utopia guide when you or Jen started posting as screen names from there. But I don’t have a pay pal account, nor do I post there about the price of hookers. Again I bloged about this already, go read and school yourself.

There you go Jen. That’s what I wrote. No implication that you made an account there or were there. But I do believe you or DPH were behind the screen names on my blog that led me there. I do not think someone from that site commented on my blog. So relax. I’m not saying you are on or were on utopiaguide.

Cleared up now?  Good. Since you pointed out how things could be misleading (though I don’t think my comment was misleading to anyone and did not make it sound like you were a member of utopiaguide) Let’s look at some of your misleading stuff. Shall we?

Cloak and Dagger

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On Saturday, November 30, 2013 3:49 PM, Jennifer Grinberg  wrote:
Cloak and dagger” is an English term sometimes used to refer to situations involving intrigue, secrecy, espionage, or mystery.

No espionage.
 
No secrecy.  I wouldn’t have share anything with you if remaining in secrecy. Asked that you not divulge what I share with you. 
 
No mystery.  I’ve bluntly told you much with the exception of what Sgt Best told me NOT TO TELL! No respecting me for that?
 
 Intrigue.  Guess you could say there is intrigue by YOU.  I’m sure you must want to learn what I do know that I was told not to say. That’s understandable but can you respect my needing to keep some things held back?  There’s nothing you could do with what it. If I had not been to LE & an atty & needed your help, I would have asked.
I use the phrase “cloak and dagger” a lot, especially when talking about my emails from Jen.  As you can see in the above e-mail from Jen, she doesn’t like this, but she doesn’t like anything I write that might question her.  I’m sorry, her own e-mail proves to me that cloak and dagger fits Jen perfectly. Those of you that have had a lot of contact with her should see this as well. But if not, let me put my spin on it. And when I say spin here, I mean truth by looking at her own words.

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