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It’s been one year since I started this blog. So it seems right to end it today. This year has been a crazy one for me. I discovered things on the internet I knew where there, but did not know or understand how they end up connecting themselves. Entangling people in a true web of webs. I’ve said all I am going to say about those things here. As some of you know I continue to blog about the different things this year has led me to on the internet. And I’m only getting started there: http://zerodinh.wordpress.com/

I started this blog with a disclaimer that explained I would not be sleuthing any case, or trying to solve any murders. This blog was about the people I read commenting on a site called Longislandserialkiller.com and I have blogged more than enough about them. I’d like to end this blog on the subject I have stayed away from, the bodies found at and around Oak Beach.

We know a lot about some of them and nothing about others. We know that most of them were what they call Craigslist prostitutes or call girl or what ever name you want to give it. We know that some had hard lives from early on and that some were taken advantage of by those around them. We know that some of them had drug addictions or money problems. We know some of their names:

Maureen Brainard-Barnes

Melissa Barthelemy

Shannan Gilbert

Megan Waterman

Amber Overstreet

And thanks to their loved ones we know how beautiful each one was, how generous and caring they were. We know some had children they loved. We know they had dreams of bettering their lives.  We know some were artistic, some wrote lyrics and poetry. They were daughters, sisters, mothers, friends… they were all this and a lot more. More than anything anyone can know or say about them. Because of the things we don’t know, and that is what they would have done, what they would have achieved, what they would have become. Their lives were cut short and their story not properly ended. I know that most out there feel as I do, and our hopes and prayers are that at the very least the case will be solved giving the families of the victims answers and everyone piece of mind that those responsible will not be able to continue. It is not the end they deserve but it is an end, and one is needed here.

Websleuths

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Websleuths is another part of this I have not mentioned much. This is because I never read there. That has changed and I recently started reading there. So far I have not found any LISK threads and have just been looking around getting a feel for the site. It seems like a good site and is run by people who do there best to keep games and agendas out of it. From what I was told and have read, just as much of this started there as it did on LISK.com but the site removed users and changed it’s set up to try to keep things on the up and up with out sock-puppet screen names and misinfo leaning towards agenda. Again, from what I’m told and have read about it. As I have said many times and one more time, I did not read or comment there.

Now that I am reading there I still don’t think I will be blogging about it since this blog is now 2 posts away from being done, plus I don’t think they like stuff being shared due to all those things the site fought hard to stop from happening.  So I heard and read. I have no intentions of breaking any rules there or brining any of the gamey stuff back there. I just want to check it out and hopefully learn. Though I don’t think what I’ve done is sleuthing, most of the stuff I looked into was about others who were sleuthing, but I did study many different aspects of the LISK case and read many others insights and opinions. And I have formed opinions of my own. And that is what sleuthing is right, studying a case and forming an opinion about it then writing that opinion? Sort of at least? So maybe I have sleuthed the case a little. I have definitely stated my opinions.

I like the site so far and hope to get new insights on this case and others there. If you are a reader here and you see me there feel free to send me a message. I’m there to learn.

Joseph Brewer & Michael Pak

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When I first came to read at LISK.com and Catching LISK, I like many others had known about three people mentioned that seemed to be POIs in the LISK case. The doctor, the driver, and the john. 48 Hours and other articles on the case told you all about these three men.  All three seemed supicious, but LE had cleared each from being a suspect. I’m not gonna even try to speak for them. But it’s safe to say that many still have questions about these three men.  My blog and other’s mention the doctor quite a bit. I have not talked much about the other two men though. Until now.

What some don’t realize is that these three men fit into “what happened to Shannan conspiracies” but I’m not sure how much they fit with the others who were found. Especially Mike the driver. If there was any connection to the other’s I would think it would have been discovered long ago and he would have been seen as a suspect. My opinion of course, but he was involved in sex trafficking plain and simple, and if LE thought pressuring him would get some names of people involved they would and, again my opinion, Mike would have given up anyone and anything he knew. So I’m guessing no connection was made. Let’s not forget he was a driver, if there was anything connecting him to others missing or killed we’d know by now, my opinion again. So I never felt much reason to bring up the driver, again, I’m not trying to speak for LE and have no idea what they know or don’t know about the driver, just that I believe if there was anything to link him they would jump on it.

I felt the same about Joseph Brewer as well, but there are a couple of differences there. One, we have stories of parties that get out of control. Mainly from Flukeyou (but I doubt he can be trusted, his stories just seem to be that, stories, right?) but I have read the book “Confessions of the Oak Beach Drifter” and the parties are implied in there as well. Still, once again, if LE could connect Brewer to any of the others that were found near Oak Beach I would think they would have been all over him and that he would have sung like a bird, do I really have to keep saying this is all just my opinion?

Again all three of these POI’s (can I call them that?) depends on what you think happened to Shannan.

If you believe that Shannan’s death was possibly a tragic accident, then if no connection is found between these three and anyone missing or found murdered then they most likely have nothing to do with any of this, well other than the john and the driver, their actions were partly responsible for what happened to Shannan no mater what, in my opinion.

If you believe Shannan’s death is connected to the AC4 then all of them once again take on suspicion. The thing is, once again, if LE could find connections between any of them and the AC4 I’m sure they would have pressured them and one of them would have snapped and come clean or spilled info on someone else. None of this seemed to happen because no arrests have been made. But again, LE, what they know, and how they are handling the case is not anything I know anything about and I am not speaking for them. I just have to believe they are doing everything they can to solve these cases.

So that leaves us with a third possibility (and the one I tend to believe): Shannan’s death was not an accident, but is still not connected to the AC4. When looking at everything, to me it seems there is more to be answered in Shannan’s death. And if that is true, then all three, the driver, the john,  And the doctor, once again come up into suspicion as does anyone else in that neighborhood that acts strangely about this case. But do we have conspiracy or coincidence?

I hope and believe these cases will be solved. If conspiracy is involved here, someone will slip and then spill on the others, in fact I think it already would have happened. Coincidence is a much harder thing to understand and work out. Especially when so many seem to be hiding or holding info back or at least pretending to. But I still think it will be worked out.

Out of the three of these men, it is Brewer I question the most, and that’s mainly because of what I read in Lost Girls. He goes on and on about what he knows that can break this case wide open, and yet won’t let you know what that is. This is something I have seen a lot in this case. Everyone’s got the answer, some know who the killer is for sure. Who’s got agenda and who’s just crazy is hard to tell apart. And a lot of you say you have gone to LE with your info, right? Why would anyone hold back info from LE if they thought it would help?

And yet years later and all these connections some of you have made, and still nothing that LE has been able to use.

In my opinion of course.

Looking Back

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I started reading back over this blog in preparation for my final posts here. The blog itself is separated in three parts. The first part I was really trying to just figure out all the screen names and real names. In March of 2013 in one of my first posts I discussed trolls and sock-puppets:

So, they are close to the same thing, the general difference being, the reason they do it.  A sock puppet has motives behind what they do, while trolls just like to mess with people. At least that’s how I read it.

And to me I see reason to believe both were/are going on here. The hard part is deciphering between the 2. One or more of these posters are very good at what they do. It is almost impossible to know who is who. There are some ways, which we will later discus, to connect them however.  But now that sites and posts are disappearing it is a little harder to do.  It’s a Riddle Wrapped In A Mystery Inside An Enigma.  Shall we get started?

And for some of the name game, it is still a puzzle to me. But I now think less troll activity was involved than I originally thought. At least not just random trollness. All the many screen names aside, the many “real” names thrown out in comments and posts were sometimes just as confusing to me. As I tried to explain in a post in April of 2013:

So what I’m getting at is, even though all these names have been “leaked”, I have no proof that any of these names are real or at least really anyone involved in these posts.

So I will use them when needed, after all they have already been thrown out there, and not by me. But I am not trying to endanger anyone or use names of people who have nothing to do with this, so feel free to ask me to remove anything that you might feel is fraudulent or personal info of yourself that you do not want out there.

I was trying to figure out who everyone was that was being thrown out there, but a lot of times they were just names to me, I had no idea who they really were.

The second part of the blog comes after I have a little better understanding of who is who and focused mainly on trying to figure out game and agenda. In May of 2013 I wrote:

So I’m often asked why I blog about these different screen names and people I know nothing about. And I have answered this many times, but to truly simplify the answer, I’m looking for some kind of conclusion. I know that may not come, but I’ll be here bugging everyone till it does. (don’t quote me on that)

And for the most part at that time I continued to blog about this because I was just looking for some sort of end to the story. The thing that would bring the who’s, what’s, and why’s together. During this time I realized some of this had been going on for a long time and that the game part of this was somewhat connected to the actual LISK case. Flukeyou really was Joey, and he really was a neighbor or Dr. Hackett. That other locals were also behind some of the screen names and that an Oak Beach neighbor dispute not only played out in the comments of LISK.com but had been going on for years and now seemed to have found its way into the LISK case. That many of those involved in the games and agendas had centered themselves right into the actual case. Joey, Dorothy, Jen, Cristin, and quite a few others had spoken to Mari and/or her lawyer as well as others in the LISK case. These games and agendas were not just some internet posts. I realized much more of what was happening was in emails and phone calls, the posts and comments were only a show most of the time. The more people who started commenting on my blog led me to contact with some of these commenters. This second part concludes when I realize that all though I could see there were games being played, and although I could see who some of the players were. I was not going to be able to prove it to any one but myself. No one was coming clean on their own, though Jen and Cristin did help a lot with what they did come out with. Joey and Dorothy have never stopped playing game once on these sites and blogs. And still so many screen names unclaimed. But I felt it was as far as it could go at that point.

During this second part of the blog and while the blog was on pause for a few months, I did continue to share emails with people. Made some contacts on Facebook. Someone told me about the “way back machine” and how it could be used to read old LISK.com posts. The more I knew about people, the real people in this with no agendas other than wanting the truth to come out and some of the games and agendas to be exposed for what they were. The more I read old LISK.com stuff. the more I felt the blog was incomplete. LISK.com and Catching LISK were both gone by this time but I still felt something could be learned by looking closer at both these sites and the people who created them as well as the one person who dominated both places with their agenda, Flukeyou. And that is what I did on the third part of this blog. I dug in deep to the early LISK.com stuff. Spoke with quite a few of the earlier commenters there. Understanding LISK.com, its creator, and what went on there was not quite the big mystery. Most of the people who were part of it had already gone through the whole who is who game, and many knew who each of the others were. So getting behind any LISK.com mysteries went rather quickly once I started in this third time. Leaving me mainly just 2 questions about it, who was PS149 who posted at LISK.com in it’s final days and why did Flukeyou use the site to sensationalize what ever suspicions he had about his doctor neighbor? We may never learn who that PS149 was. And it is probably more important to understand why Fluke did what he did.

And as we all know Fluke continues the accusations of conspiracy and coverup on MM7’s blog “Catching LISK”. It was a little harder to blog about what went on there because I had to go from memory and the few things I had saved from it. But then MM7 sent me access to her blog. I was shocked and even told her I couldn’t understand why she would have sent it to me. But I was glad she did. I was able to continue the blog showing how Flukeyou continued his agenda on Catching LISK.  Of course “Catching LISK” is a lot more difficult to figure out even with the whole blog in front of you. Part is due to commenters like NERD who take the blog for a wild ride and part is due to MM7’s claims of being stalked at least one of these commenters. In this third part of my blog I learned quite a bit more about the creators of the 2 sites I blogged about. I understood more of why these sites were made and why they were taken down. It seemed that this third part to the blog (the final part?) too must come to an end. And that is what I am attempting to now do. But as I look back over my blog and choose my final word for the final posts I feel I must once again say that I stand by this blog and the journey it describes. And I once again ask, that if you are going to judge this blog, please read it in its entirety, see my growth and understanding with each post. Remember this is from an outsiders view with no inside information or knowledge about anything. A lot of the time I am playing catch up with most of you that read and comment here, so you can see my blog through your own eyes and understanding of what went on here (here being my blog and the blogs and sites I wrote about). By reading the entire blog I think you can see clearer the conclusions I came to about LISK.com, Catching LISK, and all those who participated in them. Are they the right ones? You tell me.

I also ask that you bare with me for just a few more posts, and please be patient, I want to be as clear as possible in wrapping this blog up.

DPH Sighting

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I might have to start a whole new blog dedicated to DPH sightings! Here is the latest left on my Facebook page:

DPH zero

Oh Dorothy, you are so confused. Too many have put stuff in your head. Jen, Cristin, Joey, and who ever else decided to look past your obvious break with reality and use you to help there agendas. Every one seems to know you are crazy and that is just the way it is. No one can stop you.

Well, I’m not going anywhere tell someone shuts you up. What you are doing is wrong. People out there reading your garbage you put out everywhere don’t know you and might actually think there is something to your many accusations.

You quickly (and vaguely) accuse me of crimes, something you have no problem doing to anyone who questions your screwed up comments. You know me from a nick name and what I have written, nothing would give you any reasons to think I was involved in criminal activity (no mug shots of me up yet, how bout your team?). For this reason alone I know you are full of sh*t, as does every one else who you thrown into you’re burning fire.  Even your so-called “team” says you sound crazy.

So Dorothy, while others shy away from you and are afraid to stand up to you, I am not. And if your friends Nancy and Todd want to bring themselves into this (so many people to follow suit after the Doc) then let them become part of my ever-growing lists of suspicious people.

DPH Sighting

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https://www.facebook.com/NFIGA

Here is the latest place Dorothy is posting BS comments about her ex and LISK info that is not true. This is Nancy, I don’t know her, but she has been making comments on my Facebook page defending Dorothy. Then she accused me of being the person behind the John Doe Facebook page. LOL. I am not a fan, nor a sleuther, nor someone trying to help anyone out here. I am someone who read what I read and called people out on it. Again, Nancy, read my blog please before questioning me or what my motives are.

Here’s what Dorothy had to say on Nancy’s page (let’s see how long before it is taken down).

LISK Dorothy 1

It’s like a broken record with that one. And now Nancy is invited on that team of hers. Cristin was on that team, right? We all know what Cristin has said her work on that team amounted to… So Nancy I would do some checking before I joined Team Dorothy.

DPH Sighting

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LISK DPH news

Well, once again it looks like Dorothy, Joey, and Cristin are all on that same track. Thanks to the 3 of them the Doc is about to be nailed to the wall for his involvement in Shannan’s death. And they will be heroes. They were right all along. Of course this is not what I hear, but let’s wait and see before making any rash statements.

I’d like to see everyone who claims to know what happened to Shannan put under oath and asked about their activities of that early May morning. I urge all of Oak Beach neighbors to come forward with ANYTHING they may know. Let’s find out once and for all if Joey or the Doc had anything to do with Shannan’s death.

I also would add, that if Joey and his crew are wrong, and nothing comes out of this lawsuit, then I suggest Mari sue Joey Scalise Jr. for something, I’m not a lawyer, but something to do with evidence tampering or something. I mean if the Doc is looked at because of his phone call and the idea that he said to a reporter that he saw Shannan “running away distressed” (which I have yet to see. Some did say they saw Shannan running away distressed, so there may be some misinformation or confusion here, but if there is proof the Doc said he saw Shannan that night, then yes that would be more lies the Doc is caught in and is probably hiding something, but again I have not seen it, which doesn’t matter as long as the proper people do), well then Joey’s telling of where Shannan’s stuff would be found, or where Shannan’s body would be found, or the numerous statements he has made on Cristin’s blog and LISK.com as other screen names alone, is reasons enough to have Joey put up under a microscope of the media and LE. Put Cristin and Jen up on the stand and make them tell their story under oath, I’d like to hear it. Use this blog as exhibit A.  And then get LISK.com and MM7’s “Catching LISK” blog as exhibit B and C.

All I’m saying is, if The Doc comes out of this lawsuit and nothing more is learned from it, then it is time to take a look at Joey and all those involved in feeding information to Mari and J.R . that is wrong (if the case so proves this). Their activities seem just as suspicious as any one else in this case.

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