Putting LISK.com To Rest

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Is there more we could learn from LISK.com? Yes, but this would take the site owner to help with the who’s who as well as more screen names coming forward to give their experiance (not talking about sock puppets, real readers with no agendas). But it’s there (some of it at least) if any of you want to search the LISK.com archives and see what can be seen. I put up enough of the comments that I think we understand Fluke’s agenda and how the game began.

It stepped into high gear when Mysterymom7 appeared and started a blog og her own. So we will head there next to see the crap Joey put up using questionable screen names, we’ll get into the 69 IP and a few others that kept Cristin guessing but almost never understanding. We’ll see how the screen names crossed over to my blog once I began. Most of all will ask Cristin some tough questions about what she claimed was fact though she now says was just speculation.

But not till after the holidays. This blog is on vacation. I have to properly end the “red and black” blog, it has been in limbo for way to long. Plus I have something more personal I’m working on, hopefully some of you will follow me there (not you Dorothy).

So, HAPPY HOLIDAYS! Go spend it with your family and loved ones. Enjoy them. Remember all of those who are no longer with us this holiday season and celebrate with those who are.

Who Is PS149?

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That’s one of the few newer LISK.com threads I can find. But it is right around when I started reading there. Going back and rereading these comments I see them a lot different the second time.  Sorry to drag it back out Linda, but honestly, knowing you now, knowing what was going on better, I don’t see your comments as so harsh. What they were doing was unforgivable. Hopefully these games did not hurt the case in the long run and LE will solve these murders. I do not live there so it is not as personal as it is for all of you, I see that now, back then I did not see that. And what Flukeyou and MM7 were doing here was again, unforgivable.

I put this up not to see more BS Fluke was peddling, or how MM7 was buying it and helping to spread it, or that emotions were high and things were getting ugly (all that’s just a repeat of what had been going on all along). I put this up to take a closer look at exactly what PS149 was saying. With all the fake ones on mine and MM7’s blog it’s easy to forget what the real PS149 was saying.

And in my opinion they were just trying to expose Joey, much like Too Close and a few others. They don’t seem to care about what you have to say too much Cristin, they just thought you sounded crazy, and you have told me that you yourself know you sounded this way. So they were never the enemy you made them and definitely not CPH. I had once thought it was Jen, but this is because of all the fake PS149s. Sorry Jen, I can see this is not you. Probably owe a bigger apology to PS149.

So as I see it, PS149, the real one, was not a part of the game. Just someone trying to help expose it. I guess they are from websleuth and are still there so any of you who still go there feel free to tell them I said thank you and to answer their email.

I had had a couple comments on my blog that I had forgoteen about. Here they are:

LISK PS149 zero

This came from a seperate email and IP address then all other “PS149” posts, and at the time I thought it might be the real one. Now that I have access to MM7’s old blog (thank you Cristin) I was able to search that Ip address and Email address through the hundreds of comments (man there are so many) and it only came back with one:

LISK PS149 MM7 blog

My point to all this? Not much other than to say I do not think the real PS149 was involved in this game Fluke and the others were playing. It wasn’t Jen or Dorothy or Cristin or Joey. I don’t even think it was Micheal D. as some want me to believe (remember the confession left in this blogs comments? It was left in my ” For PS149″ post: https://liskdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/for-ps149/.

Whoever it was knew Joey for what he is and helped expose it. Again, thanks PS149.




This is also around the same time as the others, summer of 2011. And the comments just once again continue the understanding of Fluke’s agenda. You could see a lot of people were not buying it.  I particularly like what Fascinated said:

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There are lots more telling comments here. You can read them for yourself. Reread them if you were there in 2011. Hindsight helps see things better.

So I rest my case on old LISK.com stuff. Was Fluke fishing for others to help his agenda against his neighbors? Did he use sock puppets to get others on this site confused and arguing amongst each other?  Did he use misinformation to mislead people reading? I say yes to all of these and he had help.

Did those against him also make sock puppets? I say yes to that as well. And it all got confusing quick and with every one who got tired of it and left another was sucked in. I’m one of those as well. But what more can we say about Fluke’s agenda? He won’t come here other than to back up Dorothy… that won’t help. If any one reading this still can’t see Flukeyou for what he has done, and how nothing he has said has been backed up by truth. If you can’t see how he has a vendetta against his neighbors. If you can’t see it all comes back to him, Flukeyou aka Joey Scalice Jr. Well, nothing more I can say will help you.

But I’ll try any ways.

200+ Comments Concluded


So let’s get the rest of the 200+ out-of-the-way. Last comments I posted were about the red tags and they were about to get into the viruses. Shall we?

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So by the end of that first summer at LISK.com it’s owner was already thinking about taking it down. Reading through the comments to whether the site should stay or go shows us the site owner had reason to think the site was in trouble and might need to come down. Personal info, viruses, sock puppet screen names, and a neighborhood feud that was getting really nasty. But the site continued, and not much had changed by the time I found it in February of 2013. Some of the screen names were gone and some new ones were now involved but still the same thing. Flukeyou accusing his neighbors of being involved in parties and coverup of murder and yet none of it had yet to pan out. And even now, today, after LISK.com is long gone and the games have been exposed, Junior is still calling out the same crap and not one part of it has been proven and no arrests or confessions from any of the neighbors. And why won’t the neighbors help back up Juniors stories? Because they hate the Scalice’s so much they will let a murdered girls family go without knowing the truth and a killer walk free. That’s right isn’t it Fluke? They have a vendetta against you? Or is it one of your other explanations, that the Doc has something on all of them and they are afraid of him?  How did anyone buy this crap?

Please Fluke, please MM7, please anyone (accept Dorothy) tell me where I have this wrong…

Jen’s Farewell


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One thing about Jen’s emails that I love is how she likes to throw my words back at me and they just seem to prove my point further and not the one she is trying to make (some of my favorite screen names used to do this to me). Like this clip from one of the first emails I sent her.  She has been throwing this back at me for some time how I said she seems to be the most honest one. Yes I wrote that, because back then she (Jen) was exposing things that her and MM7 had done, but even then I told her that doesn’t mean anything, she could still be anyone (though I now know she is not MM7)  and it was easy for her to be honest back then, she was tattle telling on her friend Cristin. It’s when we got in to her involvement where her lies started in (oh she’ll like that). One other thing to point out, if you look back at some of the wayward screen names that commented on my blog, they used the same technique, all nice to me when I follow where they led, but when I questioned them they were all “you don’t get it”. Yes I have my reasons for thinking Jen was behind some of those screen names, again something she hates, but deep down she knows I’m right. She’s not that far gone.  Also she is good at screen shots (she has sent me many), her emails have color schemes, and she likes to use your own words against you, not very well as I pointed out. But yes, I have my reasons for my beliefs when it comes to Jen. I may be confused by her, but I’m not fooled by her. So maybe it’s time to take a closer look at Jen. As she said, I have enough emails from her to keep myself busy.  Her emails are very interesting and very telling. Oh and very distracting.

Understanding Jen


Alright,  it’s over for Junior. All is exposed. His long campaing against his neighbors can be seen for what it is. Lies and false accusations. Sad thing is, if the Doc has anything to do with Shannan’s death or is hiding something, because of Junior and company and all the BS they put out there we might never know. Another thing is now you Joey are in question of being involved in something and trying to cover it up. I hope LE looks at both of you again and again just to make sure they don’t miss something  on either of you.
Dorothy is not to be believed. I spoke to her ex husband Chris Wolff and what she has put him through is just beyond messed up. Dorothy, I’m sure you know your ten commandments, but I feel I must remind you about the false witness one.
Cristin wants to clear the air. And this is questioned with good reason, we have heard it before and I still think she doesn’t get Juniors true part in this. But if she jumps back again does it matter. It would just be like, go away already.
Sad part about both of them is that if any of their findings had any substance, no one will ever know.
OK this is where this blog sat for the last couple days. Dorothy’s ongoing comments were getting to me. and the latest attacks made on Jen put me out of the mood of this particular post’s topic. So instead I made another call. I had already called Chris Wolff and got the truth about Dorothy. I had also called Cristin, and although I am being cautious, I think/hope she is trying to clear her name and therefore not still in contact with Joey, Jen, or Dorothy. If I’m wrong well then my above statement will stand true. I’m not sure if any of them are in contact any more, but with this like so much else, time will tell. My third call while I decided the fate of this post went to Linda. We talked a little while and she seemed very genuine. Our talk was great and it left me even more unsure of this post. Is it my fault I don’t get Jen? And what if I misread Dorothy or Cristin or some one else? Do I really have the right to keep on blogging about all of you?
Before anyone answers that, let me try. Jen still continues to confuse me and I don’t think I am the only one. So for this post I am going to at least try to explain why. So I guess whether I have the right or not, I’m gonna continue to blog about all of you. so where was I?
Jen says she is a part of this in every step of it and yet she is not a part of it in any way. That’s how it seems to me any way. If I was gonna sum it all up that’s it.  She first told me she got involved with Cristin at Mari’s request to see if Cristin was writing a book. The conection I believe was through a page belonging to Mari where both Jen and Cristin commented. But now Jen’s story on meeting Cristin is more focused in that Joey asked her to work with Cristin.  Am I confused? Well obviously I must be. Maybe someone can help me out there.
There are other things like this that make me question her. And I have my reasons why I think she was behind a lot of the screen names on my blog that were trying to expose MM7 to me (they all stopped when Jen finally came on as jjj and we started exchanging emails in which she exposed MM7).  But it’s not one thing and I’d have to look through tons of emails to point it all out. But the latest thing which is both something big and something small says it all.
In some of our latest emails she said she was sorry she listened to Linda and started emailing me again. Now I’m sure Linda had told her she could trust me and email me etc. but I had been the one who had written Jen and told her I was blogging again and asked if she wanted to help clear everything up once and for all, in fact at the time her and Linda had had a falling out and were not emailing each other. I wrote her this and she wrote back that she had started writing me again long before her falling out with Linda. Now this was ridicules since Linda had written me about it before I sent my email to Jen, and Jen’s first responses had a tale of her and Linda’s “misunderstanding”. Now this seems silly to argue over, but it’s just an example of how she will twist little things that don’t matter and argue with you about them even though you know the truth. But the bigger part of this is in the actual disagreement. Here is a what Jen said about the falling out (which  she says was weeks ago even though now she wants me to believe it happened after we started emailing again???) Jen wrote:
I just spoke to Linda last week after not speaking with her for weeks cause of a miscommunication.
A few weeks back, Linda did a sudden about face regarding who I am, claimed I lied, said I was spying on her for Mari or JS, was Mari’s “henchman”, said I told her “you should be buried with the other girls”. This makes me SICK!!!  I would never in a million years say that to my worst enemy. I spent hours on the phone with her cause she appeared to be in need of a shoulder to lean on based on what she said but she later denied that. So, fast forward to last week. I texted her, indicating “I need to speak to her, asking her to put all aside, no one can know, not Z, BF, blogs, nada”…yet she interpreted that as I had some deep dark secret to tell her. I bluntly told her on the phone that my text was simply asking to put all behind & nothing from our talks said to anyone.  PERIOD!!  She has a habit of dropping “hints” on the blogs about what we talk about that are not meant to be made public. She has admitted to being impulsive & kept promising to not be quick to write. But that didn’t happen. She then told me she was going to run my text by YOU to get your opinion, so I asked her “what am I, a child?  I’m explaining my text bluntly & you still don’t accept it?”  
Here she says last week and weeks ago, and this is in her first email to me in months. So why now is she trying to make me believe this falling out with her and Linda happened after we started sharing emails again? It’s silly and makes no sense to me and this is one of many things like that. But the bigger part. As you read in her email, Linda and her had a phone conversation where Linda says Jen says “you should be buried with the other girls”.  Now this is outrageous. And Linda had sent me an email before I was back in contact with Jen telling me about it. At the time I didn’t know who to believe, I mean why would Linda make this up?  But then what did this mean if it was true? More confusion regarding Jen.
Now it seems Jen has received “spoof calls” they seem to be quite popular with this crowd. And even more so Jen says someone must have spoof called Linda, that explains it. It wasn’t her. Someone spoofed her. And yet in her early emails about it with me and Linda from what I’m told never questioned the calls, Jen and Linda had been talking, just that there must have been a misunderstanding. Yea call me confused again, I don’t see what could be misunderstood as to what Linda heard. Which may be why the spoof call is now being brought up as an alternative. Is it me or is Jen using Cristin’s tricks? Sorry just a joke… kind of at least.
So did she say this? Linda says she did and I believe her. Was it a spoof call? I doubt it. She doesn’t deny them talking on the phone at first so can’t now.
So see in just these little things that have just come up, not to mention so many more that I have just not been able to quite understand, it’s not my fault Jen confuses me, right?

Welcome Flukyou


So the latest comments left by the screen name Flukeyou seems to truly be him. See Jen my IP detection is working.

Now I know we are dealing with game players so I could be being misled. But with info I have and info I have found on the latest Flukeyou comments, it is in deed Flukeyou. And from as far as I can tell it is the first time he has commented here.

So welcome Flukeyou!  There is so much I want to ask you, but let’s start with your latest comments. Do you really side with Dorothy and her ideas that have grown from your seeds? Because accusing your neighbors is one thing but she brings so much more to that table. So could you clear up your comments a little? Do you think Dorothy is someone to be believed? I think she linked you or your father’s gun to JB III’s suicide.  Plus I have to say I spoke with Mr. Wolf and he doesn’t seem to be connected to you or anyone else in this, could you clear that up?

Are you telling us Dorothy’s comments are FACTS?

Let’s start there.

My Response


Alright, I’m gonna get to that post I stopped in the middle of due to Dorothy’s continued running of the comment. But first I need to address another of Jen’s emails here for all to see.  In this email sent to me yesterday , Jen wrote: “With all due respect, Zero, when I was asked to find out something, I did just that.  I don’t need to justify or defend my actions.  All that matters is that I know what I write to you is the truth. ”   

 Never posted on your blog as anything but my initials so why post that I did under some other name?  It’s not true!
Obviously your IP detecting isn’t accurate if you can’t tell it’s NOT me”.

There was more, but these were the parts I addressed in my return email and I feel what I wrote needs to be addressed here since they will fit in to this post I need to finish, here is my reply:

To Jennifer
Today at 12:11 PM
I’m not gonna keep addressing everything you run off about… but in my opinion ALL of you have to justify and defend your actions, and obviously quite a few other people think so too. And as for the IP addresses… someone purposely uses places like Mc Donalds to post stuff, the use of mobile devices from free internet sites like these makes it impossible to be sure, but I know the key players now, and I know who had what info when, and well that makes it pretty easy for some of us to put 2 and 2 together. But go on joining the others blaming each other and not taking your spot where you belong in this. It will all be exposed eventually, that I am 99% sure of.

John Doe


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I mentioned John Doe before. Someone who made a Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/JohnDoeGilgoOakBeachCase, and like Dorothy loves to post on  Shannan’s memory page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Praying-for-Shannan-Maria-Gilbert/168485149857128

Their comments are usually questions like, “who is that in the picture next to Shannan” or “what kind of music did Shannan listen to?” Some questions seem harmless but others are a little bizarre. In other words they fit right into all the screen names and games.

I wrote about him because Dorothy had said they were the killer. Since then they have written on my “Zero’s World” Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/zerosworld

Go check it out, especially if you want to see how I answered his question above as well as his criticism of this blog and those on it.

But I’m also gonna address some of that right here.

Many may feel what I am blogging about here is just “drama” and “hoopla”, like I’m just feeding the circus. And some of it like my little skit to poke at Junior is in a way. But to insist that it is pointless or that it has nothing to do with the case is wrong.

These screen names and sites I blog about started right when the first bodies were discovered.  No actually it started when someone claiming to be Dr. Hackett (maybe the Doc himself) called Mari. That is where this starts. It goes on to many places and people and may be confusing but there is substance behind all of this. This game did not go on for this many years consuming so many people including Mari and Oak Beach neighbors and not have meaning or purpose.

I am not here to make friends, solve cases, or help agendas. I started this to show everyone what it looked like to an outsider reading about the case. Then, after so many contacted me, I started contacting others.  And I now think there might be more to all of this then a “neighborhood dispute”.  Again too many people are involved in this.

But no one has to email me or read my blog. I understand.

I don’t know if Junior or the Doc killed anyone. I hope not. Because then the “danger” some of you claim to be in is real. But if you look at John Doe’s beliefs on my blog and those it’s about (and to be fair, many think this way, I know people are saying not to read my blog because it is confusing and about nothing really to do with the case, not a correct view in my opinion, but I understand it) then no one is in danger and the people in my blog are all just full of sh*t (funny, this is kind of the point I first was trying to make, no?).

My point, if you still can’t see it, is whether everyone from LISK.com was full of sh*t or if there is connection to Shannan’s disappearance and any of the Oak Beach residences my blog still has merit.  I believe figuring out the true connections of Joey, Jen, Cristin, Dorothy, Mike and the many others that have been involved not only with this case, but with each other, is important for this case to move on. It may not be needed because it is what LE are doing and who they are looking into that will bring justice as needed and help you all to feel safe again. Until that happens though, those who are a part of  LISK.com and continue to claim they know what happened to Shannan or who the LISK is are a part of this and need to be looked at closer. I have my reasons to believe this. But you’d have to read my blog  to realize that. Many like to just jump in and out from time to time and that’s fine.

Judge me, I don’t mind. Read or  don’t read, comment or don’t comment, email me or don’t.  As I said before, time will tell who is involved here and who is not. But I will continue to push at those I feel need to “put up or shut up”. Help this case like you claim you want to or be exposed for the games you are playing.

Flukeyou a.k.a. Joey a.k.a. Junior


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Here is Fluke trying to sell his “killer on site” ideas to Linda. She was much to smart to buy this. You see it sounds like a great story. But as I mentioned in the last post, there’s no reason to think CPH was ever at LISK.com or at MM7’s blog. There’s no reason to think he was trying to “run interference” or confuse other readers at these sites. Even Cristin finally  came to the realization “today” that CPH was not there. So does any one buy Joey’s stories any more? Dorothy? She does sound like they might be in contact. But I’m beginning to think Dorothy has other reasons for her pretending to buy Joey’s games. We’ll get to that later don’t worry.

Back to Joey. Let me change his question to Linda above just a little: Who is on this site trying to run interference? Joey, it was you:

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From the beginning it was you pushing CPH=LISK. It was you calling other commenters CPH. It was you posting over and over misleading and accusing comments about your neighbors. Ideas others would later run with. Do I need to bring up how MM7 fell for the whole Poker playing Newman gag.

It’s always been you. Why? Do you really hold that much hatred for your old neighbors? Or is it more sinister?

It’s my guess if LE hasn’t found anything linking any of you yet, it may mean this all has nothing to do with the murders, but cases can go on a while before enough evidence piles up on someone. So only time and good work by LE (which I am assured is happening) will tell.

But no matter what your reasons for doing this, there’s some kind of screw loose up stairs, right?  I know I’m not the only one who thinks so. But when did it start?

Was it 1996? I think we need to look into what was happening in Oak Beach in 1996 in Juniors life.

Later though, I really must get off this computer for now. I’ll leave you with something someone once wrote to me about Junior:

 He feed BS to Mari cause he knows thats what
he says she wants to hear and know. I understand that. Poor Mari is being
played by a man who either has something to do with this all or a vendetta
toward OB

This didn’t come from LISK.com people either.

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