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It’s been one year since I started this blog. So it seems right to end it today. This year has been a crazy one for me. I discovered things on the internet I knew where there, but did not know or understand how they end up connecting themselves. Entangling people in a true web of webs. I’ve said all I am going to say about those things here. As some of you know I continue to blog about the different things this year has led me to on the internet. And I’m only getting started there: http://zerodinh.wordpress.com/

I started this blog with a disclaimer that explained I would not be sleuthing any case, or trying to solve any murders. This blog was about the people I read commenting on a site called Longislandserialkiller.com and I have blogged more than enough about them. I’d like to end this blog on the subject I have stayed away from, the bodies found at and around Oak Beach.

We know a lot about some of them and nothing about others. We know that most of them were what they call Craigslist prostitutes or call girl or what ever name you want to give it. We know that some had hard lives from early on and that some were taken advantage of by those around them. We know that some of them had drug addictions or money problems. We know some of their names:

Maureen Brainard-Barnes

Melissa Barthelemy

Shannan Gilbert

Megan Waterman

Amber Overstreet

And thanks to their loved ones we know how beautiful each one was, how generous and caring they were. We know some had children they loved. We know they had dreams of bettering their lives.  We know some were artistic, some wrote lyrics and poetry. They were daughters, sisters, mothers, friends… they were all this and a lot more. More than anything anyone can know or say about them. Because of the things we don’t know, and that is what they would have done, what they would have achieved, what they would have become. Their lives were cut short and their story not properly ended. I know that most out there feel as I do, and our hopes and prayers are that at the very least the case will be solved giving the families of the victims answers and everyone piece of mind that those responsible will not be able to continue. It is not the end they deserve but it is an end, and one is needed here.

Joseph Brewer & Michael Pak

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When I first came to read at LISK.com and Catching LISK, I like many others had known about three people mentioned that seemed to be POIs in the LISK case. The doctor, the driver, and the john. 48 Hours and other articles on the case told you all about these three men.  All three seemed supicious, but LE had cleared each from being a suspect. I’m not gonna even try to speak for them. But it’s safe to say that many still have questions about these three men.  My blog and other’s mention the doctor quite a bit. I have not talked much about the other two men though. Until now.

What some don’t realize is that these three men fit into “what happened to Shannan conspiracies” but I’m not sure how much they fit with the others who were found. Especially Mike the driver. If there was any connection to the other’s I would think it would have been discovered long ago and he would have been seen as a suspect. My opinion of course, but he was involved in sex trafficking plain and simple, and if LE thought pressuring him would get some names of people involved they would and, again my opinion, Mike would have given up anyone and anything he knew. So I’m guessing no connection was made. Let’s not forget he was a driver, if there was anything connecting him to others missing or killed we’d know by now, my opinion again. So I never felt much reason to bring up the driver, again, I’m not trying to speak for LE and have no idea what they know or don’t know about the driver, just that I believe if there was anything to link him they would jump on it.

I felt the same about Joseph Brewer as well, but there are a couple of differences there. One, we have stories of parties that get out of control. Mainly from Flukeyou (but I doubt he can be trusted, his stories just seem to be that, stories, right?) but I have read the book “Confessions of the Oak Beach Drifter” and the parties are implied in there as well. Still, once again, if LE could connect Brewer to any of the others that were found near Oak Beach I would think they would have been all over him and that he would have sung like a bird, do I really have to keep saying this is all just my opinion?

Again all three of these POI’s (can I call them that?) depends on what you think happened to Shannan.

If you believe that Shannan’s death was possibly a tragic accident, then if no connection is found between these three and anyone missing or found murdered then they most likely have nothing to do with any of this, well other than the john and the driver, their actions were partly responsible for what happened to Shannan no mater what, in my opinion. If you belive Shannan’s death is connected to the other’s then all of them once again take on suspicions, all of it has been put out there so I don’t need to go over it all. The thing is, once again, if LE could find connections between any of them and the others I’m sure they would have pressured them and one of them would have snapped and come clean or spilled info on someone else. None of this seemed to happen because no arrests have been made. But again, LE, what they know, and how they are handling the case is not anything I know anything about and I am not speaking for them. I just have to believe they are doing everything they can to solve these cases.

So that leaves us with a third possibility (and the one I tend to believe): Shannan’s death was not an accident, but is still not connected to the others. When looking at everything, to me it seems there is more to be answered in Shannan’s death. And if that is true, then all three, the driver, the john, the doctor, once again come up into suspicion as does anyone else in that neighborhood that acts strangely about this case. But do we have conspiracy or coincidence?

I hope and believe these cases will be solved. If conspiracy is involved here, someone will slip and then spill on the others, in fact I think it already would have happened. Coincidence is a much harder thing to understand and work out. Especially when so many seem to be hiding or holding info back or at least pretending to. But I still think it will be worked out.

Out of the three of these men, it is Brewer I question the most, and that’s mainly because of what I read in Lost Girls. He goes on and on about what he knows that can break this case wide open, and yet won’t let you know what that is. This is something I have seen a lot in this case. Everyone’s got the answer, some know who the killer is for sure. Who’s got agenda and who’s just crazy is hard to tell apart. And a lot of you say you have gone to LE with your info, right? Why would anyone hold back info from LE if they thought it would help?

And yet years later and all these connections some of you have made, and still nothing that LE has been able to use.

In my opinion of course.

200+ Comments Concluded

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So let’s get the rest of the 200+ out-of-the-way. Last comments I posted were about the red tags and they were about to get into the viruses. Shall we?

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So by the end of that first summer at LISK.com it’s owner was already thinking about taking it down. Reading through the comments to whether the site should stay or go shows us the site owner had reason to think the site was in trouble and might need to come down. Personal info, viruses, sock puppet screen names, and a neighborhood feud that was getting really nasty. But the site continued, and not much had changed by the time I found it in February of 2013. Some of the screen names were gone and some new ones were now involved but still the same thing. Flukeyou accusing his neighbors of being involved in parties and coverup of murder and yet none of it had yet to pan out. And even now, today, after LISK.com is long gone and the games have been exposed, Junior is still calling out the same crap and not one part of it has been proven and no arrests or confessions from any of the neighbors. And why won’t the neighbors help back up Juniors stories? Because they hate the Scalice’s so much they will let a murdered girls family go without knowing the truth and a killer walk free. That’s right isn’t it Fluke? They have a vendetta against you? Or is it one of your other explanations, that the Doc has something on all of them and they are afraid of him?  How did anyone buy this crap?

Please Fluke, please MM7, please anyone (accept Dorothy) tell me where I have this wrong…

John Doe

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I mentioned John Doe before. Someone who made a Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/JohnDoeGilgoOakBeachCase, and like Dorothy loves to post on  Shannan’s memory page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Praying-for-Shannan-Maria-Gilbert/168485149857128

Their comments are usually questions like, “who is that in the picture next to Shannan” or “what kind of music did Shannan listen to?” Some questions seem harmless but others are a little bizarre. In other words they fit right into all the screen names and games.

I wrote about him because Dorothy had said they were the killer. Since then they have written on my “Zero’s World” Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/zerosworld

Go check it out, especially if you want to see how I answered his question above as well as his criticism of this blog and those on it.

But I’m also gonna address some of that right here.

Many may feel what I am blogging about here is just “drama” and “hoopla”, like I’m just feeding the circus. And some of it like my little skit to poke at Junior is in a way. But to insist that it is pointless or that it has nothing to do with the case is wrong.

These screen names and sites I blog about started right when the first bodies were discovered.  No actually it started when someone claiming to be Dr. Hackett (maybe the Doc himself) called Mari. That is where this starts. It goes on to many places and people and may be confusing but there is substance behind all of this. This game did not go on for this many years consuming so many people including Mari and Oak Beach neighbors and not have meaning or purpose.

I am not here to make friends, solve cases, or help agendas. I started this to show everyone what it looked like to an outsider reading about the case. Then, after so many contacted me, I started contacting others.  And I now think there might be more to all of this then a “neighborhood dispute”.  Again too many people are involved in this.

But no one has to email me or read my blog. I understand.

I don’t know if Junior or the Doc killed anyone. I hope not. Because then the “danger” some of you claim to be in is real. But if you look at John Doe’s beliefs on my blog and those it’s about (and to be fair, many think this way, I know people are saying not to read my blog because it is confusing and about nothing really to do with the case, not a correct view in my opinion, but I understand it) then no one is in danger and the people in my blog are all just full of sh*t (funny, this is kind of the point I first was trying to make, no?).

My point, if you still can’t see it, is whether everyone from LISK.com was full of sh*t or if there is connection to Shannan’s disappearance and any of the Oak Beach residences my blog still has merit.  I believe figuring out the true connections of Joey, Jen, Cristin, Dorothy, Mike and the many others that have been involved not only with this case, but with each other, is important for this case to move on. It may not be needed because it is what LE are doing and who they are looking into that will bring justice as needed and help you all to feel safe again. Until that happens though, those who are a part of  LISK.com and continue to claim they know what happened to Shannan or who the LISK is are a part of this and need to be looked at closer. I have my reasons to believe this. But you’d have to read my blog  to realize that. Many like to just jump in and out from time to time and that’s fine.

Judge me, I don’t mind. Read or  don’t read, comment or don’t comment, email me or don’t.  As I said before, time will tell who is involved here and who is not. But I will continue to push at those I feel need to “put up or shut up”. Help this case like you claim you want to or be exposed for the games you are playing.

Flukeyou a.k.a. Joey a.k.a. Junior

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Here is Fluke trying to sell his “killer on site” ideas to Linda. She was much to smart to buy this. You see it sounds like a great story. But as I mentioned in the last post, there’s no reason to think CPH was ever at LISK.com or at MM7’s blog. There’s no reason to think he was trying to “run interference” or confuse other readers at these sites. Even Cristin finally  came to the realization “today” that CPH was not there. So does any one buy Joey’s stories any more? Dorothy? She does sound like they might be in contact. But I’m beginning to think Dorothy has other reasons for her pretending to buy Joey’s games. We’ll get to that later don’t worry.

Back to Joey. Let me change his question to Linda above just a little: Who is on this site trying to run interference? Joey, it was you:

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From the beginning it was you pushing CPH=LISK. It was you calling other commenters CPH. It was you posting over and over misleading and accusing comments about your neighbors. Ideas others would later run with. Do I need to bring up how MM7 fell for the whole Poker playing Newman gag.

It’s always been you. Why? Do you really hold that much hatred for your old neighbors? Or is it more sinister?

It’s my guess if LE hasn’t found anything linking any of you yet, it may mean this all has nothing to do with the murders, but cases can go on a while before enough evidence piles up on someone. So only time and good work by LE (which I am assured is happening) will tell.

But no matter what your reasons for doing this, there’s some kind of screw loose up stairs, right?  I know I’m not the only one who thinks so. But when did it start?

Was it 1996? I think we need to look into what was happening in Oak Beach in 1996 in Juniors life.

Later though, I really must get off this computer for now. I’ll leave you with something someone once wrote to me about Junior:

 He feed BS to Mari cause he knows thats what
he says she wants to hear and know. I understand that. Poor Mari is being
played by a man who either has something to do with this all or a vendetta
toward OB

This didn’t come from LISK.com people either.

Where Do We Go From Here?

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So I have read my fill at old LISK.com and reread some of the stuff from when I first got there earlier this year. I get it. Flukeyou pulled some people in and they shared screen names and misinformation. Remember early on we have Fieldnotes and Truthspider as well. The tree starts there, well somewhere Jen and Susie are there as well. (Remember Susie) All of these connect to Mari, some have met her and are helping her others are from Facebook and wanting to help. Who was there to actually help and who was there for other reasons I do not know for sure, but hindsight sure does help us see a few things.  I realize the fact that the phone call that was made to Mari from the doctor and his denial of it  plays a key role in all of this early on. And so does 48 hours, where a lot of us got the same story about the doctor. Before I ever came to LISK.com I was like who is this doctor and what does he know? And with LISK.com here is Fluke to put a personal touch on all the questions people had about the doc. And he had fake screen names and maybe a few of the already mentioned names to help spread his knowledge of the Doc and many other neighbors. And early on we have people, neighbors of Fluke and the Doc maybe, but definitely people with reason to doubt Flukes stories. And they start in trying to defluke him and also maybe figure out why he is saying some of the things he is. So here we have 2 sides of at least a few people using the sites lack of screen name security and a game begins.

Then there are the other readers here, having to figure out who is who and what their agenda is. Some of them pick sides. But the game gets really out there and many leave for different reasons. But the core remains, and when MM7 get’s  involved it really gets crazy. (I’m not sure how long DPH was involved or who put who in touch, but she was in there somewhere “helping”)

So MM7 has her reasons to think it’s the Doc long before her involvement with anyone I have mentioned above. So did I, as I mentioned above.

But watching 48 hours and reading news stories had quite a few people looking suspicious. The john, the driver, the doctor. Yes some suspicious people, how could they all be cleared? I, like many thought these things when we saw or read what was being said about this case. But after her getting involved with Flukeyou and working the case with Jen and Dorothy she knew 99.9% the doc was the killer, and because of that he was stalking her.

All very dramatic, but also very suspicious.

Some of the  gamers splinter, some question other’s motives. A lot of it comes to a head due to Joey not telling Cristin about his new baby? But this is just part of the onslaught of things  now being posted in the dying days of LISK.com.

The addition of PS149 on LISK.com helped speed this up, but Too Close had been there from the beginning trying to keep the madness Fluke and company were creating from spreading. And others like Linda were sick of the constant accusing of anyone who disagreed or found their connections questionable. My blog also came around, one more place for the show to continue. Most people just wanted the game to stop and the case to be brought back to being about the victims, the real ones not those who were victims of themselves. And I am still one of these people by the way.

There is also Websleuth, which because of my email address I can’t get an account there, I heard all the changes came there and made it much harder to become a member specifically because of  involvement of those I have mentioned above.

So back n forth it goes and it continues because the Doc is suspicious. It continues because Joey is just as suspicious. It continues because Dorothy is being used or is quite the wakko. (maybe both) It continues because Jen is either scared or sneaky. (I just can’t figure you out Jen) It continues because Cristin is either scared, played, or quite diabolical. (just my opinion, still not for sure which one applies, maybe a combo of all three)

It continues because none of the information, Joey, Cristin, Dorothy, Jen, or anyone else that was part of the games ever proved anything to anyone. It continues because you all connected and Mari at least must think one of you is hiding something or knows something, I will not speak for her, but if I was her I would be questioning all of you.

This is what I know and I doubt anyone will change my thoughts on any of this. There is still much I don’t know. There is still all the crazy screen names which is a lot more difficult to understand. And I know what I have wrote is just a general idea of what went on. I mean there is a lot more to Fieldnotes involvement in all this and when he tried to back away from it he became a child molester and a LISK suspect, so getting his side of this would be helpful, but it’s understandable why he doesn’t want any part of this any more. I don’t know much about the original Truthspider, Brenden right? Is he still involved in this somewhere? I remember cryptic posts about lifeguards and Fluke and Spider being friends.  Still so much cryptic stuff out there, which is startling when you put it up against the ongoing case and the cryptic parts of it.

Was an Oak Beach resident involved in any of murders? If so was it someone posting on LISK.com? We won’t know these answers till the case is solved. But Joey sure convinced a few people that there is something to doc putting himself into the middle of the case, unfortunately or maybe fortunately doing so also put him questionably “in the middle of the case”.

But where do I go from here with this blog?

I will post the remaining 200+ comments for those interested in reading the rest of them, though other then some virus talk, it’s a lot of the same thing. There are a few other posts with comments that I might put up here, again for those interested in reading them.

But really from here the only place to go is to continue focusing on those I know were involved here and I believe could be a little more light shedding if they wanted to be. We know who they all are, I can’t keep going over and over the things they want to keep circling around, I need to help push forward.

So let’s all enjoy our Thanksgiving and then I’ll focus in on Joey and his gang.

LISK.com Admin Post and Comments Part 1

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So in these first few comments it is primarily voting and complaining about people using multiple screen names. And then Websleuth is mentioned. And so it will begin. LISK.com is laid out in these early months from December of 2010 to August of 2011. In less than a year games were being played and Joey vs The Doc had already begun. I can see the connections starting amongst these early posts. I can see exactly how it all played out.

In these early posts I see all the key players, I see victim’s friends and families, I see people like me not connected and confused by what they are reading.

These 200 plus comments shows a lot of it, but as I said it went on for a few more years, so it got really twisted. And yet as we look over all these early comments, we see as twisted as it got, it didn’t change much from the initial game.

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